Scene of the Week : Rocket Singh – Salesman of the Year

Check out this excellent scene from one of the most underrated films ever. The best film ever made on entrepreneurship in Bollywood. Overrated craps like Guru don’t even come close. This is one film that deserved to be a hit. Without a doubt, the best film in Ranbir’s career so far. Shimit Amin is one of the rare filmmakers who knows how to perfectly mix art with masala.

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  1. Reddemon 7 years ago

    One of the best movie of last decade and this scene was epic imo. Didnt like the intials much but the procedings was brilliant. Shimit amin is one of the best director at present and as babaji said above.. He knows how to mix masala with art.

    • Baba Ji 7 years ago

      I loved first half too.The whole office politics.I work as a management consultant and have seen such things in real life.The shrewd Sales manager,employees with crab mentality and the “cup-plate” peon.Have seen it all.

  2. fearlesssoul 7 years ago

    For me Sales man of the year, Swadesh and 3I are on similar likeness, on all time fav list. will put my views later…

    • Baba Ji 7 years ago

      I think 3i and RS are similar while swades is a different kind of film.It is far more ambitious and hence more flawed.But it is also a better attempt.Lakshya also is of the same type.

  3. sputnik 7 years ago

    @Baba,

    Thanks for posting the Scene of the Week this week. I had thought of skipping thing this week as I could not post anything in time.

  4. Suprabh 7 years ago

    I was wondering How did Sputnik post this scene as scene of the week..until I read his comment above 😉

    • Baba Ji 7 years ago

      why suprabh? sputnik has a thing against ranbir? 😮

      • sputnik 7 years ago

        Yes Baba that’s why I posted Ranbir’s scene from Wake Up Sid a few weeks back.

        Scene of the Week: Wake Up Sid

        I think his performance in WUS was his best. This performance is very similar to that – expressions and all. People overrate this performance just because he has a Pagdi and a beard. People think his acting was different just because his look was different.

        • Baba Ji 7 years ago

          A film about “bandra issues” doesnt move me at any level sputnik. RS the film is better so its performance also looks better 😉

          • sputnik 7 years ago

            One should not discriminate based on what the issues are about.

            If that’s the yardstick you should not like DCH because that was also about Bandra issues and ZNMD also because it was also about Bandra and NRI issues 😉

          • Baba Ji 7 years ago

            znmd and dch both started as “bandra issues” but both had much more to offer.znmd especially was quite philosophical in parts.I loved its ending.DCH i liked except for the ending.

  5. Suprabh 7 years ago

    I dont remember much about Ranbir’s performance in WUS… For me WUS was a very forgettable film,..too much “trying to be relevant kinds” I slept off while watching it the first time and the second time I just went out for a smoke after half an hour, out of boredom and started smoking one after the other..forgot that I was watching a film.

  6. Reddemon 7 years ago

    RK’s performance was better in WUS than in RS, but his character in RS was simple and straightforward which made the act look better

  7. aryan 7 years ago

    Fantastic scene of the week great choice Baba and good perfomance by Ranbir no doubt.

    • Baba Ji 7 years ago

      yes aryan.Ranbir though is most hyped for his Rockstar performance . I didnt think much of that film.btw,I wonder why Shimit Amin is aloof after making 3 outstanding films.

  8. Baba Ji 7 years ago

    Some good scenes here especially the conflict between service dept vs sales dept.These scenes will also clear how ranbir and peon managed the logistics for Rocket sales corp. and why the Rocket team doesnt quit their job in initial phase.

  9. Serenzy 7 years ago

    RS: SOTY suffrd due to Zero Promotion I think…Ranbir just Delivrd 2 Successes den in WUS & APKGK and YRF got Over Confident I think wid Shimit Helming it aftr a CDI & Ab Tak Chappan.

    Anyways, Baba… Nice Selection…RS is a True Underrated Gem and I Love the Movie.
    Frm the 1st Interview, to those guys forming a team, to the Climax.. I Liked it all.

    It’s Surely a Better Movie den MBKD, BBB.

    ……….

    I am yet to come across a Ranbir Performance OR A Ranbir Movie I have Disliked OR Hated Except ‘Anjaana Anjaani(Loved PC)’

    He has Supreme Potential and Barfee! will be a Milestone Acting Wise and is a Success.

    Ranbir’s Lively Acting was the Only Good Thing abt Saawariya and APKGK, BAH was Breezy tp Fun.

    WUS is THE BEST RANBIR MOVIE, Rajneeti was Fab and He was Good in RS.

    Geunine Talent….Hard Competetion fr HR.

  10. fearlesssoul 7 years ago

    Sales man of the year –

    Its an inspirational movie but more of a larger than life character… It’s like a fairy tale brought onscreen, as if once you start to do it on your own with all the ethical, moral, honesty and integrity intact, the paths that you choose will always be favorable to you. Just like You walk in and success right there in waiting of you… where as when it comes to reality it is nothing but fantasy that every sales man has/dreams about.

    But the message is clear that if you stand up for yourself then nobody can stop you from achieving success or whatever you dream for. So is 3 Idiots and so is Swades (just that here you think of for an entire country, your country and not just you alone)

    • sputnik 7 years ago

      I had a conversation with Baba before he posted this scene and I also told him the same thing that you said in the first para. I told him that they should have shown some struggle initially but they made it so easy that it looked like a fairy tale. Ranbir goes to some client and promises so many things and says he will sell off a scooter and then the client just agrees to give him the contract. There are filmy dialogues like “bahut salesman dekhe hai par tumhara jaisa nahin”.

      All the contracts go well and they don’t show even one issue where they could not honor the contract or anything like that. And with Ranbir and others walking in slow motion as if some heroes are walking in masala movie one cannot take it seriously.

      Agree with you that its a “fantasy that every sales man has/dreams about.”

    • Baba Ji 7 years ago

      I already said in my post that shimit amin films are a mix of reality with commerce.Its a perfect blend he manages.And i am an admirer of such films.
      CDI was as much a fairytale and it had lot of slo-mo masala hero-like walking scenes that sputnik talked about.Also if you delve a little more,CDI ironically reinforces all the prejudices against a Muslim in India. (especially the way it ends).Will elaborate if required.

      3i was too low brow and crude.Swades as i said is a film in entirely different terrain.It isnt essentially a fairy tale so to speak.

      • sputnik 7 years ago

        CDI is a sports film – a tale of the underdogs. All underdog sports movies are similar – the underdog team always wins whether it is Lagaan/CDI or any Hollywood sports film. CDI has lot of obstacles – the team is fighting all the time among each other – there are rivalries and if I remember it correctly they lose some of the initial matches.

        I am not a fan of slow motion scenes glorifying the hero or lead characters no matter which film it is.

        • Baba Ji 7 years ago

          CDI is a sports film.But million dollar baby was also a sports film.and it was depressing .CDI had as many obstacles as say a singham had! CDI lost just the starting match in the tournament.But the bigger problem with the film is not this but the the cliched societal perception of a muslim’s vindication.

          • sputnik 7 years ago

            Ha Ha. If you think CDI had as many obstacles as Singham then Rocket Singh has as many obstacles as Ready 😉

            CDI is supposed to be inspired from Miracle but I have not seen it. It is similar to movies like Any Given Sunday, Remember the Titans and Glory Road.

            Million Dollar Baby is not a regular sports movie – it was also about Euthanasia.

            There is a father-daughter relationship at play. Clint Eastwood’s daughter does not respond to him and Hilary Swank’s white trash family does not care for her. He names her “Mo Chuisle” – Irish for “my darling, and my blood”.

            Sports based movies also have a parallel track where the coach/hero has to vindicate/prove himself. In CDI it uses the societal perception of a Muslim’s loyalty to the country but it is a thing that unfortunately exists. Sarfarosh, Khakee also dealt with similar perception.

          • Baba Ji 7 years ago

            CDI is a regular sports movie agreed or lets say an escapist fairytale film.Thats what i started with.I also immediately agreed to rocket singh not being realistic.But you objected for CDI even though both are similar.Lets not forget you ridicule NY for 9/11 portrayal but love MNIK.I wont even talk about the hurricane or srks acting.I will just quote the cheesiest dialgue in history – “My name is khan and i am not a terrorist”. Its almost like “Chor ki daadhi mein tinka” 😉

  11. fearlesssoul 7 years ago

    An inspirational film should always have a fairytale end to have its impact on audience just like CDI, RSSMTY, Pursuit of happiness, 3Idiots, Swadesh, Lagaan etc…. If not It might look like a reality that u, me or every common man faces… Those are larger than life characters just like POH is based on real life characters, or Say Invictus or Last Sammurai (tom cruise). They leave a message to u that if u have 4D’s in your life i.e, Dedication, Determination, Descipline and very Important DREAM Success comes to your door step knocking or ringing bells.

    All the above mentioned are inspirational movies but are categorised and portrayed in different fields. You can find inspiration n get motivated in sports (cdi), entrepreneurship (rssmoty), Studies/aspiration (3i), patriotism/humanitarian/innovation (swadesh), discipline/patriotism (last sammurai) etc…

  12. sputnik 7 years ago

    @Baba,

    I had heard that CDI is inspired but after reading the plot from Wikipedia it looks like it is heavily inspired from Miracle. Miracle is based on a true story.

    “The “Miracle on Ice” is the name in American popular culture for a medal-round men’s ice hockey game during the 1980 Winter Olympics at Lake Placid, New York, on Friday, February 22. The United States team, made up of amateur and collegiate players and led by coach Herb Brooks, defeated the Soviet team, who had won nearly every world championship and Olympic tournament since 1954.

    Team USA went on to win the gold medal by winning its last match over Finland. The Soviet Union took the silver medal by beating Sweden in its final game. In 1999, Sports Illustrated named the “Miracle on Ice” the Top Sports Moment of the 20th Century.[1] As part of its 100th anniversary celebrations in 2008, the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) chose the “Miracle on Ice” as the century’s number-one international ice hockey story.[2]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_on_Ice

    So there you go – the “escapist fairytale” according to you is based on a true story 😉

    As I said before I have not seen the movie Miracle till now but I will try to watch it as soon as I can 😉

    “The movie chronicles the journey of the 1980 US Olympic Mens ice hockey team. Then University of Minnesota head coach Herb Brooks (played by Kurt Russell) interviews with the United States Olympic Committee, discussing his philosophy on how to beat the Soviet team, calling for changes to the practice schedule and strategy. Brooks meets his assistant coach Craig Patrick at the tryouts in Colorado Springs. However, Brooks selects a preliminary roster of 26—later to be cut to a final roster of 20—indifferent of the tryouts and the preferences of senior USOC hockey officials. He convinces Walter Bush (Sean McCann), the executive director of the committee, that he has their best interests at heart. Bush agrees to take the heat from the committee, saying, “I’ll back you up on this one.”

    During the initial practice, tempers flare as forward Rob McClanahan and defenseman Jack O’Callahan get into a fight based on an old college rivalry. Brooks bluntly tells the players that they are to let go of old rivalries and start becoming a team. He then calls for introductions, in which each player states his name, his hometown, and for whom he plays.

    The coach starts the team on an exhausting conditioning drill (which became known as “Herbies”), in which the team sprints together back and forth across the ice, over and over.

    During an exhibition game against the Norwegian National Team in Oslo that ends in a 3–3 tie, Brooks notices the players are distracted by pretty girls in the stands and not playing up to their potential. After the game, in a wrenching scene, he makes them run “Herbies” far into the night, asking the team who it was that they played for. Finally exhausted, forward Mike Eruzione responds with the answer that Herb had wanted all along, “I play for the United States of America!” and the drills are ended.

    The team plays the Soviets in an exhibition game at Madison Square Garden. The Soviets manhandle the young American team, winning by a score of 10-3. During the game, O’Callahan receives an injury that could keep him out of the entire Olympics, and starting goaltender Jim Craig is told he may be benched in favor of back-up goalie Steve Janaszak. Craig ends up retaining his starting job when the coach brings him to realize that he hasn’t been giving his very best.

    As the Olympic tournament begins, the Americans trail Sweden 2-1 in the first game. Brooks fires up the team during the break by slamming a table out of his way and accusing injured McClanahan of quitting (Doc had said his injury wouldn’t get worse if he played on it.) McClanahan ends up playing despite his pain, and the inspired American team came through as Bill Baker scores a goal in the final minute for a dramatic 2-2 tie. They follow that up with a 7-3 win over heavily favored Czechoslovakia, then victories over Norway, Romania and West Germany to earn a spot in the medal round.

    The Americans are considered overwhelming underdogs to the Soviets in the first medal round game. The game begins and following a slash which doesn’t get called a penalty, the Soviets score the first goal. Then O’Callahan, having healed enough from his injury, enters the game for the first time. He makes an immediate impact by knocking down Vladimir Krutov on a play that leads to a goal by Buzz Schneider. Following another Soviet goal the first period winds down. In the final seconds the Soviet goalie Vladislav Tretiak stops a long shot by Dave Christian, but Mark Johnson gets the rebound and scores with less than one second left in the period – the clock shows 00:00.

    During the first intermission the Soviet coach replaces Tretiak with backup Vladimir Myshkin. In the second period the Soviets score a goal to go up 3–2. Early in the final period the Soviet team is called for a penalty, giving the Americans a man advantage. Johnson scores his second goal of the game just as the penalty is about to expire. Later Eruzione enters the game and scores to give the US a 4-3 lead. The entire team skates onto the ice as the crowd celebrates.

    Now, however, the US team goes into a defensive mode, as the Soviet team becomes increasingly aggressive to score in the final ten minutes. After a long, intense and suspenseful 10 minutes, the clock ticked down the final few seconds, in which commentator Al Michaels said his now famous words, “Do you believe in miracles? Yes!” The Americans held off the Soviets, and completed one of the biggest upsets in sports history. As the team proudly celebrates on the ice with the roaring crowd, an obviously emotional, shaken and proud Herb leaves the rink to a small, quiet room to have a few seconds of quiet with himself, to take in what he and the team had just accomplished.

    Two days later, the team would then go on to defeat Finland to win the gold medal. The movie ends with Brooks staring out over his team with pride as the entire team crowds together on the gold medal platform.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_%28film%29

    • Baba Ji 7 years ago

      “So there you go – the “escapist fairytale” according to you is based on a true story ”

      you did more than three hours of research for saying this? :-/

      • sputnik 7 years ago

        Baba,

        CDI -> Miracle -> Miracle on Ice. Do you think I will need 3 hours to research that?

        I have a day time job too and I have to work sometimes for that too 😉

      • sputnik 7 years ago

        As far as the societal perception of Muslim part in CDI is concerned: When CDI released there were lot of news articles about the Kabir Khan’s character being based on Mir Ranjan Regi.

        Jaideep Sahni Interview

        “As for “Chak De…”, Jaideep says while he was resting after “Company” he saw a small newspaper story where the women’s hockey team had won an international tournament. “I felt why has the girls’ team been given so little coverage. I shared the idea with Aditya (Chopra). He liked it and said stop everything else and concentrate on it. I started my research by spending time with hockey players.” Jaideep denies he has based Shah Rukh Khan’s character Kabir Khan on former hockey player Mir Ranjan Negi. “It’s just a matter of chance that Negi’s story matches with Kabir Khan. There are many cases, like in Columbia, football players are killed for not performing well for the club. I had no idea about Negi’s story while writing the script, and he joined us after the script was ready. In fact, his name was suggested by M.K. Kaushik, who was the coach of the team that won the Commonwealth Games’ gold. On day one, when Negi read the script, he cried and it was then that we came to know about his story.”

        http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2007090750190400.htm&date=2007/09/07/&prd=fr&

        Mir Ranjan Regi’s Interview.

        ” Goalpost, astro-turf, spectators, media…How he wished he could delete them from his memory…..He would wake up in the middle of the night, perspiring, gasping, petrified; hockey seemed a curse.

        “Why did I ever play this game,” he would ask himself, avoiding public glare, rendered helpless at being vilified for a loss. How could an individual, a goalkeeper in this case, be savaged for a defeat, and not the other 10 on the same turf? Was hockey not a team game?

        For Mir Ranjan Negi, life had become a nightmare. The 7-1 defeat at the hands of Pakistan in the 1982 Asian Games final had brought unprecedented humiliation for India in a sporting arena. The nation went into a mourning and Negi into hiding.

        Negi was accused in some quarters of having conceded those goals. In truth, the failure was collective. His team-mates stood by him but then they hardly mattered. He quit the game. He had no choice really. He was not spared at his wedding too, unruly elements disconnecting the power supply to the venue!

        He returned to the hockey field, most grudgingly, 16 years later as a goalkeeping coach. India won the 1998 Asian Games gold at Bangkok, but the joy was short-lived as Negi, along with six players and the chief coach, was sacked by an ungrateful federation.

        The affable Negi now shifted to train the girls, won the Commonwealth Games gold in 2002, again contributing as a goalkeeping coach.

        “I refused when the offer came. I tried pushing Mervyn (Fernandes), Dhanraj (Pillay), Clarence (Lobo) into it but the film-makers wanted me. I don’t know why,” says Negi.

        Reluctantly he made a trip to the studio on the request of writer Jaideep Sahni and was hardly excited when he was handed the script. “But after two pages, I was transported back into time,” the Customs Officer from Mumbai discloses.

        Producer Aditya Chopra convinced Negi that he was the man best suited to guide the filmmakers. “I was apprehensive because I have never been a film buff. Believe me, I have not seen even ‘Lagaan’,” confesses Negi.

        Why did he agree then? “The story looked terrific and the characters so real. I saw hope for hockey through the medium of this film. And I changed my mind. I liked the atmosphere. I was also told that Yash Raj Films often make an impact with their movies. If women’s hockey could benefit with my little involvement in the making of a film on the game, why not?”

        Negi was handed a collection of sports movies. “I was given CDs on the making of many sports films. It gave me basic idea of films. I met the 16 girls who make the team in this movie. “

        http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2007081050570100.htm&date=2007/08/10/&prd=fr&

        And I am guessing one of those Cds happened to be that of Miracle 😉

        • Baba Ji 7 years ago

          every filmmaker draws loose inspiration from real life events.Many of the corporate politics shown in RS too would be real life experiences of amin or his team of writers.Its common sense.But there is a big difference basing a film on true events of a person and drawing influences from real life.

          btw,Miracle is based on some true events and you feel CDI is same as miracle bcos of the underdog similarity and hence CDI is also not a fairytale.This is the most ridiculous argument i have come across.

          • sputnik 7 years ago

            You need to read properly what I posted earlier. I did not say CDI is same as Miracle just bcos of underdog similarity. I said this

            “I had heard that CDI is inspired but after reading the plot from Wikipedia it looks like it is heavily inspired from Miracle. Miracle is based on a true story.”

            I posted the plot from wikipedia – there is more than just a underdog similarity. Looks like they have adapted/copied from the movie. When I read this I can remember similar scenes from CDI.

            “Then University of Minnesota head coach Herb Brooks (played by Kurt Russell) interviews with the United States Olympic Committee”

            “Brooks meets his assistant coach Craig Patrick at the tryouts in Colorado Springs.”

            During the initial practice, tempers flare as forward Rob McClanahan and defenseman Jack O’Callahan get into a fight based on an old college rivalry. Brooks bluntly tells the players that they are to let go of old rivalries and start becoming a team. He then calls for introductions, in which each player states his name, his hometown, and for whom he plays.

            The coach starts the team on an exhausting conditioning drill.

            ” in a wrenching scene, he makes them run “Herbies” far into the night, asking the team who it was that they played for. Finally exhausted, forward Mike Eruzione responds with the answer that Herb had wanted all along, “I play for the United States of America!” and the drills are ended.”

            There might be more similarities even in the way they play the games but I don’t remember all the things that happened during the games in CDI in detail.

  13. fearlesssoul 7 years ago

    @Sputnik – when can we see you directing a film… You seem to be so much interested in almost all films n the films that are inspired from 😉

    • Baba Ji 7 years ago

      LOL,no wonder he loves tarantino.and of course if it has srk,then sone pe suhaga 😉

      • sputnik 7 years ago

        “I will just quote the cheesiest dialgue in history – “My name is khan and i am not a terrorist”.

        The Supreme Court just quoted the cheesiest dialogue in history 😉

        ‘Empathising with the ‘My name is Khan but I am not a terrorist’ lament, the Supreme Court on Tuesday said law cannot be abused to harass any person owning to his religion and acquitted 11 people, held guilty of terrorism in Gujarat.

        “District Superintendent of Police and Inspector General of Police and all others entrusted with the task of operating the law must not do anything which allows its misuse and abuse and ensure that no innocent person has the feeling of sufferance only because ‘My name is Khan, but I am not a terrorist’,” said the top court in a judgement.

        A bench of justices HL Dattu and CK Prasad made the observation while acquitting 11 persons convicted for allegedly planning to create communal violence during the Lord Jaganath Puri Yatra at Ahmedabad in Gujarat in 1994. ‘

        http://ibnlive.in.com/news/sc-cites-my-name-is-khan-in-important-verdict/295528-3.html

    • sputnik 7 years ago

      Ha Ha LOL

      @Baba,

      I am a bit busy right now with some issues at work but will address your NY vs MNIK thing too 😀

  14. Suprabh 7 years ago

    @Babaji

    “.I will just quote the cheesiest dialgue in history – “My name is khan and i am not a terrorist”. Its almost like “Chor ki daadhi mein tinka” ”

    LOL ,,hahhaaha I never thought about the alternate inference until you mentioned it… LOL…damn, that line can very well portray “chor ki daadhi mei tinka”

  15. Baba Ji 7 years ago

    For those who think CDI is based on true story – here is disclaimer of shimit amin in CDI.check the snapshot.

    • sputnik 7 years ago

      And here is Shimit Amin talking about true story.

      • Baba Ji 7 years ago

        once the film gives that disclaimer it doesnt matter what he said elsewhere.ppl are influenced by a whole lot of things and draw it from real life. it doesnt make it a true story.

        • sputnik 7 years ago

          elsewhere? Its the making of Chak De India.

          • Baba Ji 7 years ago

            LOL! is that video supposed to be a joke? he just used the word “true story” once that some track in it is inspired from,not based on.he didnt even explain which track in CDI is supposed to be inspired from true story. May be he is talking about the negi track. tulmul has already explained the lack of any significance of the negi track.

  16. Baba Ji 7 years ago

    anyway, you can keep fantasising CDI is based on true story. When director bases his film on a true story, he declares at danke ki chot. Bloodsport was based on the life of Frank Dux, a real life kumite fighter

  17. sputnik 7 years ago

    Baba,

    You said CDI is a fairy tale. I said its based on a true story. I have Shimit Amin, the director, himself saying on video that somethings had to happen because they took it from a true story.

    I dont care for some stupid disclaimer that they put out for legal reasons. I don’t care whether someone said it on “danke ki chot” or not. You yourself told me that Jodhaa Akbar had a similar disclaimer.

    I don’t even care if Shimit Amin himself denied it later. I needed just one proof to prove that the movie is based on true story and that’s it.

    It does not matter which track is based on a true story and which is not. Point is whether it is based on a true story or not.

    The Negi track is the source for the Kabir Khan track which you bash and everyone who has seen CDI knows its one of the most important part of the movie. And its not significant according to you. LOL

    Anyways I am out of this.

    • Baba Ji 7 years ago

      when you dont care of the truth and facts before you,then the debate ends there itself. yes CDI is fairy tale. its not real. its a work of fiction and the movie disclaimer it its biggest proof. Moreover, shimit amin has not said anything radical in that video ( what a joke is that!) that can even remotely change this fact about CDI. a usual you are providing decontexualised examples and hollow arguments to prove your fantasy. keep living in your world. Your hypocritic views on MNIK vs NY are just as crooked.

  18. Baba Ji 7 years ago

    btw , sputnik critised guru which is also “inspired” from ambanis life. as per his logic, guru is also based on true story so its loopholes can be accepted.But he said this about guru

    ” sputnik says:
    March 6, 2012 at 6:25 pm (Edit)
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    Agree Baba. A couple of years back when I saw the movie I had similar thoughts too. I did not like the movie either. It is a typical south Indian movie trying to glorify the hero. ”

    same way CDI is just another sports movie. if fantacising it as some true story makes you feel good like bachan fans do for guru,then thats a different debate.

    • sputnik 7 years ago

      I will let others decide whether CDI is fairytale or not based on the comments and videos posted in this thread.

      There are lot of movies which are supposedly based on true stories that I did not like much. Catch me if you can, TDP, Guru, KHJJS and more. I like Lagaan more than Swades even though Lagaan is a fairy tale and Swades is based on a true story.

      A bad movie does not become a good movie just because it is based on true story. A good movie might get some brownie points if it based on true story that’s all. And then there are cinematic liberties which all true stories take – sometimes so much that it makes it ridiculous as a true story.

      And there is no rule that if you like this movie A you should also like that movie B. Just because I liked Gandhi I dont have to like Sardar equally. Gandhi is a classic whereas Sardar is not. Sardar is a good movie but its dry not in the same league as Gandhi. And I did not like Gandhi, My Father which was also based on Gandhi.

      Things like direction, screenplay, acting, BG music matter and can make a lot of difference.

      KHJJS was not bad but it could have been good with better screenplay and direction.

      RC was also based on true story. RGV almost ruined it with stupid camera angles and voice over otherwise it could have been as good as Satya which I dont think is based on a true story.

      Its like saying that you should like all kung fu movies because you like some Bruce Lee/jackie chan/Tony Jaa movie.

      Using your own logic here is the disclaimer of Guru that it is not a true story

      https://youtube.com/watch?v=cc9pzVQvgs0

      • Baba Ji 7 years ago

        both guru and cdi are fictional films. acc to your logic, if cdi is true story,so is guru. accept both or reject both. if you mock obstacles of guru as mindless south masala, cdi obstacles can also be laughed at.

        now you are digressing to technicalities excuse.basically the moral of the story is since RS and guru didnt have srk,its a bad film. I dislike many lee,tony jaa films as well

        • sputnik 7 years ago

          hmm.. Now we come to SRK.

          I dislike majority of SRK films including his hits like KHHH and DTPH. And I already mentioned that “I like Lagaan more than Swades even though Lagaan is a fairy tale and Swades is based on a true story.”

  19. hithere 7 years ago

    I am not sure why I am laughing. 🙂

  20. sputnik 6 years ago

    For a while after Rocket Singh – Salesman of the Year perished at the box office soon after its release in December 2009, Jaideep Sahni wasn’t motivated to write another script. The film’s poor showing was a blow to everyone closely associated with it, Sahni admitted, but none of them were “big talkers” and so they dealt with the failure in their own way. The core team consisted of producer Aditya Chopra, director Shimit Amin, Sahni and actor Ranbir Kapoor. In the meantime, Chopra has backed a slew of films, Kapoor has established himself as a bankable actor with reasonable box office clout, and Amin has edited Mira Nair’s The Reluctant Fundamentalist. Sahni will finally have a release, Shuddh Desi Romance, after a gap of nearly four years, the longest he’s taken to come out with a film since he turned writer with Ram Gopal Varma’s Jungle in 2000.

    Sahni is extremely soft-spoken and tough to engage into conversation at first. He seemed embarrassed while acknowledging the fact that he’s penned some solid Hindi films in a short career, among them Dibakar Banerjee’s Khosla Ka Ghosla, Amin’s Chak De! India and Varma’s Company. Sahni is extremely guarded, and seems to find a way to communicate best through his scripts.

    As the interview went along, however, Sahni opened up, but Rocket Singh remained a touchy topic. “It’s like you throw a party and no one turns up,” he said, “and so you give the food away to your friends and then some other friend calls you up on Tuesday and says, ‘Man I really liked that pasta I ate at that other guy’s house’. So you feel like saying, ‘Arre, why didn’t you come to the party only yaar?’”

    In the four years or so since the film released, quite a few people have consumed the pasta that is Rocket Singh on DVD, cable television and the Internet, even though no one quite turned up at the party. “It feels good to meet people who say they’ve watched the film,” he said, wistfully. Not “liked”, but “watched”.

    Sahni puts a lot of the blame for the film’s failure on Bollywood’s “corrupt” marketing system. “We use songs to promote our films.

    So, you have to insert songs where they are not needed because they are marketing ploys, like jingles. Ideally, our trailers should be telling us the film’s story.”

    For Chak De!, Sahni said, he wrote a rap song for a promotional video, featuring Kabir Khan, the character played by Shah Rukh Khan, introducing the hockey players in his team. “The multiplexes threw it back at us and said people are hooting. People [were] saying things like ‘Yeh kya heroine hai? Kaun dekhne aayega?’ But the same audience couldn’t get enough of those girls for two years after that. So when you have that kind of a promo, our system just spits it out.” After a rather long pause, he continues, “If I don’t have songs I can’t run song promos. I can’t give anything to the music channels. FM channels can’t talk about my film for three months before release. Social media has helped the promotion of films now, but the Internet wasn’t big then.”

    Chak De! was a slow opener – Sahni recalls going to a theatre with only eight people in attendance on the first day – but its audience grew with word-of-mouth, and it ended as one of the year’s big grossers. The same didn’t happen with Rocket Singh. “The film should have been crisper,” he admitted, “but we [Amin and Sahni] wouldn’t want to change anything about it, fundamentally.”

    The film’s ending was unconventional, with the protagonist – a salesperson – being forced to sell off his company to his wily boss, even though the latter accepts defeat in the end. It was a tame finish, and while that may have appealed to a section of the audience, it’s also one that many found unsatisfactory. Sahni dramatically points to the ceiling, referring to the cafeteria on the third floor of a building in Yash Raj Studios, where this interview was conducted, and recalled the meeting he had with Chopra and Amin there. “We talked about whether we should go with a more conventional end, but none of us felt right about it. I had written Khosla Ka Ghosla and Bunty Aur Babli, both films where the protagonists con their way out successfully, but I didn’t want to do it again. Chopra knew that too, and as a producer he took the decision to not spoil the film.” While writing Khosla Ka Ghosla, though, Sahni knew he wanted to end the film in a more “audience-friendly” way. Banerjee had a different, slightly downbeat end in mind, where Khosla – fighting against a nefarious businessman to win back his plot of land– lost his home too, and has to move to a tent opposite the family home. Sahni was tempted by Banerjee’s vision, but convinced him to go with a more conventional end because “I wanted the film to be a hit.” Sahni had a point to prove, he said. Till then, he was introduced by directors at parties as “my writer”, like they owned him. Then there were others, who lied about having written their films when they hadn’t. When he collaborated with Banerjee, an old friend from Delhi, it was meant to be a last hurrah, before Sahni returned to the capital and contemplated a new profession.

    While Khosla Ka Ghosla awaited release, Sahni met Chopra. He remembers his first meeting with the producer, one he was dragged to by Shaad Ali, a filmmaker looking for a subject for his second outing after Saathiya. Sahni had watched Dilwale Dulhaniya Le Jayenge on cable and was sceptical. “‘Yeh karva chauth mujhse nahi hoga,’ I told Shaad, but he said, ‘just come.’” At the meeting, Sahni admitted to Chopra he had watched Mohabbatein only the night before and didn’t see himself making similar films. “He told me, ‘Jaideep, I know my stuff. I want you for your stuff.’”

    Chopra discussed an idea he had for a screenplay, about how aspirations can lead youngsters to perform acts they later regret, a story he wanted to set in Dharavi. Sahni scrapped the Dharavi setting and came back with half a script about a boy and girl living in small towns and looking to get rich quick. The idea was green-lit, and Ali directed Bunty Aur Babli, a film Sahni says is his most conventional, with large set-piece songs, including the chartbuster, “Kajra re”.

    In the last eight years, Sahni has only written films for Yash Raj Films, because, “the place changed my opinion about the film industry”. At Yash Raj, he said, he feels he’s part of a mechanism, the interest of which lies purely in making films, even if they may go wrong sometimes. “Adi is a filmmaker first. When I took the script of Chak De! to him, he said we needed a director who could bring a certain kind of class and finesse to the written material. ‘Let’s get the man who made Ab Tak Chhappan,’. I am grateful to Shimit for having agreed to direct the film. I wrote it, but I could never make it. I needed him.”

    Sahni has written five films for Yash Raj, among them Aaja Nachle, a film that taught him “what not to do again”, and said he’ll continue to write for the company even though there’s no contract binding him anymore. After Shuddh Desi Romance, there are two scripts Sahni will finish one after the other, both for Amin. It’s comforting to know the duo will be collaborating on another film. Hopefully, the party will be well-attended this time.

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    • Baba 6 years ago

      great read. very disapponting to know that rocket singh BO failure affected them so much. shimit has not directed a film since then.

      • sputnik 6 years ago

        Yeah but the good news is that it says “there are two scripts Sahni will finish one after the other, both for Amin”. Hopefully at least one of them turns out to be a great film and does well at the Boxoffice atleast for both Jaideep and Amin’s sake.

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