This is the first in my series of “MY Issues with XYZ star”. I will be highlighting my issues with each star/actor in this series. So it goes without saying that it will have 90% negative opinion 😉 So fans of each star beware!
1) He is a legacy star (son of a big star) and just like them, is immune to flops. For such stars, the hits take you up while the flops don’t take you down. Something that Abhishek Bachchan too enjoyed for years. He proved that even legacy stardom has a maturity date 😀
2) Barring rocket singh, he has almost acted in the same way in all films. From Saawariya to YJHD,he seems to be playing the same character in different films. in his acclaimed(?) film Barfi he was APKGK in mute. Also somehow all his films are “prestige” films. if not YJHD then Besharam!
3) He has no solo blockbuster. he has been in the industry for more than half a decade and has barely two clean hits – APKGK and Barfi both of which are mostly plex hits. on what basis is he being hailed as the biggest young upcoming star?In the same period, Imran Khan has 3 clean hits.
4) He looks like Neetu Kapoor. He has a very girlish face which can best suit the likes of BAH and YJHD. With such a face and physique one cannot take him seriously in action roles or masala films. With new manly looking upcoming guys like arjun kapoor and action specialists like Vidyut Jamwal and Tiger Shroff, scope for improvement is just too big for him.
5) He is a good substitute star to support.He is not harmful enough to challenge the BO records like say Salman and he also does “different” cinema even if by lack of choice. He provides some good “fodder” to blabber about when your actual favorite is not doing well. you come across as an admirer of ‘young’ talent as well as a star who is doing something “different” in masala age.I think Ranbir too has no complaints 😉Tags: Ajab Prem ki Ghazab Kahani Barfi Besharam Ranbir Kapoor Rocket Singh: Salesman of the Year Rockstar Ye Jawani Hai Deewani
Good post and looking forward to the series 😉
Will comment in detail later.
next post is on hrithik 😉
exactly my sentiments on him … but he is suershot superstar asi see … media will hail him .. and abt being axn or massy avtaar .. i actually dont know i felt same for sallu before veergati happened
yes salman in KA,veeragti surpirsed me
My dear ‘so called aliya bhatt’ fan,
1. Even though RK belongs to a respectable and has a filmy background, it’s his talent and skills which brought to his present fame and popularity. His filmy contacts did helped him land up quite a few interesting projects with a couple of prestigious banners but letz be honest he lived upto the expectations of the people and did not let them down. And much much better than the legend AB’s son.. still it will be an insult comparing him with that wooden actor who being in the industry for more than a decade and still did not deliver a single solo hit(plz spare BB, Guru etc since they were not certified clean hits).
2&3..Starting his debut in Saawariy, he indeed left a mark and I think he is the first star who was poised to be a superstar with a flop debut. He exceeded our expectations and came out with a wonderful performance in BAH which was an average hit at the bo. Wake up Sid made the critics wake up and notice his acting skills. The film was an above average performer at the bo.
Next came up the masala entertainer, APKGK which did not only well at multiplex but also at the single screens. People loved him as the funny, naughty and innocent lover and was lapped up the mass public too. Rocket Singh was a tried and test movie where he experimented with his looks and acting and was somewhat successful with it but could not completely satisfy the critics and janta. Rajneeti was a serious drama where he played a politician and his role was quite different from the ones he did. Indeed a daring move and the film went on to become a blockbuster(Now you will say it is a solo BB, agreed but the film collected solely on the basis of RK and the interesting promos). Anjaana Anjaani somewhat was same on the lines of APKGK. Rockstar gave him a chance to explore his acting potential to his fullest and his performance was hailed as one of the best of the year for which he even grabbed a couple of awards at all the functions. Next year was followed with an intense and amazing performance in Barfi which took people by surprise and made all detractors silent and it was the first movie of Bollywood with such an offbeat theme to cross 100 cr at the box. Agreed it was a cut and paste movie of many hollywood flicks, it was RK’s performance which attracted the public to the movie halls and not the director/banner/producer.
Though I agree that his upcoming flickYJHD promo looks silimar to few of his earlier movies.
Being in the industry for more than 5 years, it is quite an achievement of delivering hits, superhits and a blockbuster and not to forget a few of the coveted awards at many functions. With such huge and tough competition in bollywood, itz indeed appreciable to survive in the industry with such different set of movies and grabbing many awards which I think has not been achieved by other stars like Emran, Imran, Shahid and Abhishek.
4. He has got some very boyish looks which makes him suit perfectly the lover boy and family/drama roles. But I am sure he can definitely carry off the role of an action hero in the future if selected some good movies and also if he keeps himself physically fit somewhat like that of Salman. But I wonder from which angle, he possess girly looks. He is cute and sweet but doesnt possess those looks.
5. No hero in the present era or in the future can give the khan trio a run for their money. It is very difficult for any new actor to overtake them and Hrithik was very close to that but couldn’t make it due to his lack of good choice of films after KNPH. So even I dont consider RK anywhere closer to the khans..But you cannot just to write him off with any biased views of yours. But indeed if he dons the right movies with perfect roles, he has chances of being a future huge superstar (but can’t surpass the khans)
Agree about your view on point 5
‘he is the firststar who was poised to be a superstar with a flop debut’
are you forgetting Amitabh Bachchan or counting him as a Megastar?
No body thought amitabh bachchan would be a super star after a flop Saat hindustani.
It was only after Zanjeer that people started calling him the next big thing.
you are confusing roles with peformances. he may have got different roles because of his contacts but his acting template has been almost the same. I dont know what was wonderful in his BAH act. it was a lousy film with lousy performances.this is what i said in my legacy point, an average BAH act becomes wonderful!
hacing said this, i think ranbir is among the sincere star son actors. that is to say he doesnt blow an opportunity that comes his way. there are quite a few stars who manage do that 😉
2. Even i have same issue with RK. But he is only 6-7 films old so lets giv him a chance. He tried to be different with Rockstar.
3. Probably He is hailed as a next big thing because no other actor from his age is even half successful as him. His movies gets critical acclaims. he can take a RS to 70 and Barfi to 110cr while others are struggling for 40-50cr.
4. Again we should give him some time. Anyways Looking like a hunk or doing action is not important criteria for ruling BO. Eg. SRK
it is very important to notice that when srk became big in 90s, ppl were fed up of actioners, the era of masala films was coming to an end after the overdose in 80s till early 90s.romance was the dominating genre. even someone like aamir did so many romantics in that period compared to any other phase in his career. as srk also says, he was at the right time at the right place. ranbir is in a masala era where a barfi did 110 cr but the competition is 200 cr.
Even this era had there overdose of Masala and so the likes of K786 and Himmatwala are floping.
but even this year what are the expected biggies? K3/d3/CE? where is YJHD or any any other genre in picture?
Those movies are awaited due to the Fanbase of respective stars associated with them and not because they are masala. Remember Talaash was the most awaited movie last year?
Good point about the ‘after marriage phase’
why is YJHD not awaited among the topmost when it has ranbir in his storngest genre?
YJHD or any RK movie cannot be the most awaited untill khans are going Strong.
YJHD will surely take an opening of 12 cr.
My point is If the likes of Ajay Akshay are Superstars than so is RK.
I don’t think so… K786 and Himmatwala must have been bad ones. Like Ekta Kappoor serials the masala era will remain incomprehensible and keep going on and on and on … Sorry about being the harbinger of doom. 😀
Good topic but not enough substance in your post. In fact this may be the first time I am disappointed with your writing. The content in the post seems forced for just writing something about the topic..Only point # 2 seemed reasonable to me..the rest looked forced.. …but again these are ‘YOUR’ issues with XYZ hence its anyways justified
well , most of the points are related to the ranbir stardom narrative than his acting skills or choice of films.you may not see his narrative as an issue at all.may be thats why they seem unreasonable to you.
Good ‘Theme’ of the Post Baba.
“My Issues with XYZ”.. Sounds Novel/Unique.!
But your mistake was that you started with the Wrong Target in your 1st Post i.e Ranbir Kapoor and add to that without much substantial/impact-making points.
“Well Begun is Half Done” they say… 😀
It will get more ‘interesting’ ahead i wud say.
well my job was to start. you can make the impact with your points, you are most welcome! 😉 infact i wanted everyone to add their issues with ranbir apart from the ones i mentioned.
On your points :-
1, 4 – No Big Issue
2 – Your View.. Have talked about Ranbir and his Performances a lot of times in TQ.. Cannot Rewrite again 🙂
5 – Time shud be allowed.. You are directly comparing him to Salman Khan and 200cr(3Idiots)
3 – IMO the only Heart-Breaking Failure wud be Saawariya and a ‘forgotten/routine’ AnjaanaAnjaani.
YJHD/Besharam shud clear the air abt Ranbir like Ghanchakkar/ETD will do abt Emraan.
HR is in Hibernation for most of the year. SRK is in crossroads. IMO Ranbir will eventually take up the mid-level audience though I am not sure of their BO contribution. He is progressing slowly. Significant enough to be liked in populist context and insignificant enough for the flops to be unnoticed, which is good. Unless he does a Mahesh Babu who is also lean with choclate boy looks but fits into sureshot success formula action films. In that case he would jump to the superstar bandwagon immediately. In any case his success is inevitable. He has been getting the right roles and performing (I have watched quite a few but not all) decently unlike Abhishek who wasted most meaty roles given to him.
Ranbir has a girly face and physique, boyish behavior even at 30 (or so), decent but consistent actor – cant deliver a solo blockbuster.
He is much like what Rishi was when he was young. But Rishi had “Bobby” – Ranbir has no big success like that.
His so called superstardom is based on media hype about being a ‘kapoor’ and a fan base of teenage gals high on hormones.
Not much to discuss about this star – unfortunately.
“Not much to discuss about this star – unfortunately.”
thats exactly why everyone “prefers” liking him.he is harmless substitute fav to keep. some have asked me why i didnt bring up more issues. the 5 issues i have pointed by and large cover just about every aspect of his career. dont think there is much beyond it. The reason to choose him as the first star was same as ranbirs stardom – to begin on a peaceful note. 😉 Didnt want heated arguments on the first post itself by choosing a star with a bigger/better body of work. I knew not many will object or support any issues for/against him.
I used to think of Aamir Khan like that. Can you believe it??? So I won’t underestimate the effect of slow progression and moderate hits …
Apart from Raajneeti – have found him a ‘pussy’ in all other movies.
He was very good in rocket singh. i didnt like him in rajneeti much, he wasted al pacinos role of Godfather with woodenness
I am not sure if I prefer Ranbir to Abhishek or vice versa – one is girly and the other is dull. Both lack the screen presence to be a bonafide star.
And agree that ‘liking Ranbir’ is as harmless as ‘liking abhishek syndrome’ that was prevalent a few years back – both are/were too harmless to make any star or their fan feel insecure.
yes especially you must be remembering the 2004-2005 phase where media were hyping even his below avg grossers like dus and bluffmaster as big hits. Yuva was a big BO flop but superhit in media.atleast ranbir hits are not fabricated to that extent. 😉 and more importantly i find him far more sincere than abhishek.
But Baba, At that point of time, he had some fans. Bunty aur babli, bluffmaster, yuva etc… Probably his best phase. He didn’t follow up with impressive performances…
he has some fans even now 😉 i wil tell you the difference – if last year was 2005 , then bol bachan would have been hyped as one of the most successful films of the year. But today it came and went without any trace. thoda bahut credit rohit -ajay ki team ko mil gaya.abhishek bachan did not benefit from its success at all. he has only dhoom 3 this year.
I will be very interested to see how ranbirs career shapes up post marriage. He is not really a man’s man. sustaining the female fan following after marriage is difficult for any star and ranbir has this young romantic guy image as the single factor working for him. He is 30 now.once the “young” and “romance” part is gone , after say 32-33, i want to see how his career shapes up.
How can fan of wooden actress Alia Bhatt comment on any established actor ?
alia bhatt gave superhit debut while the “established” star started with a disaster 😉
Yes thats the reason why he is sleeping around without any interest in marriage.
“Didnt want heated arguments on the first post
itself by choosing a star with
a bigger/better body of
And that’s the reason why I said it shud get interesting in future 😉
Good Point on Marriage though (Ironically, Abhishek DOOMED COMPLETELY Post that Heavenly Task with ‘One who must Not be Named’).
Yeah, Ash is the “Wicked Witch Of The West” – sucks the success out of all her male counterparts – Vivek, Salman and then Abhishek.
Anyways, marriage always has a big effect on any teen heart-throb’s career – Aamir hid the fact that he was married in his early career. Hrithik’s career went deep down following his marriage. They had to re-invent themselves after a point.
Aamir in his initial years had mega hits in QSQT and Dil in his intital 2-3 years itself. Ranbir does not even have a single big hit after 6 years since his debut. No comparison at all.
true and this can further be strengthened by listing out his following flops (out of the so many(read:9) movies he has done)
Aamir Khan’s track record in his first 6 years
All time building blocks busters
3) Love Love Love
4) Tum mere ho
5) Awwal Number
6) Deewana Mujhsa Nahi
8)Afsana Pyaar Ka
9)Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin
Daulat ki Jung missing from the list. As a kid, I liked it a lot. It was a mad cap laugh riot. Almost 20 years since I watched it. Those where the times of Jackie Chan movies (dubbed chinese films). I thought young Aamir copied Jackie Chan quite a lot – in comedy scenes.
Watched Daulat Ki Jung on TV in 90s and did not mind it back then. Found out later that it was inspired/copied from Mackenna’s Gold when I watched it.
actually shahrukh copies jackie chan a lot especially in comedy scenes. most apparent in film Badshah.
Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin – did fair business.
– APGK did some 60 cr in 2009 when 3I was doing 200 cr.
– Rockstar did 65 cr and barely recovered in 2011 when BG did 150 cr or so and every other flop like RaOne was doing 100 cr.
– Raajneeti did 90 cr when Dabangg was doing 140 cr.
– Barfi did 100 cr when a flop/coverage like talaash did 90 cr.
Media may claim so, but the numbers dont say so, specially when none of these were low budget films. Much like was said about Abhishek’s modest successes at one point, as someone already said.
You are trying to compare 6 yr old RK with 22 yrs khans which is wrong.
BTW see how the Gap is reducing. First it was 200-65cr and now it is 90-110cr. Now this is what it needs to be a SuperStar.
1. It is wrong to compare RK with Khan trios in present. If you want to compare RK with Khans than compare their intial 6 years.
2. In the 90’s movies were Blockbuster due to Trending but now it only depends on Starpower. So it is difficult for newer stars to deliver Bigger Hits as there is hardly any time/space for trending.
3. RK is not in the league of Khans but he is surely ahead/competing with akshay and ajay. Akshay couldnt provide a S26 with 1600 screen decent opening, Ranbir’s Barfi with 1500 screens did a opening day of 8cr and lifetime was 110cr. Similarly Ajay’s Tezz was a disaster.
Six years in 90s are different than Six years of current time. To compare two different eras is always fraught with danger. In my time in 12th, 80 % would get you first rank in school. These days even with 95% you would be hard pressed to get in top 5. Can we compare objectively? I don’t think so.
Completely agree with the all the points made. Ranbir has a very limited range. His expressions are more or less same. One reason he worked in Rocket Singh was because of his make up of Sardar that helped hide his girlish face and gave a serious look. Imagine him in RS otherwise he would just looked the same, as his other movies. He has a limited shelf life.
If he does more movies like YJHD he will go SRK way and get monotonous and in other roles he will expose his limitations. So either ways don’t see a very bright future for him.
I completely disagree with this… Ranbir Kapoor is a self made star and do very good stuff… This is a complete negative article with lots of nonsense…. Just for Ranbir haters to enjoy…. Get a life….!
no actor is self made anywhere in any industry. its a delusion that many actors carry to boost their low self esteem.
Alia bhatt gave a super hit due to Karan Johar.. it’s not her….. and as u said Imran Khan may hav 3 hits.. but not on himself… either the banner, or the heroine or the director… he dsnt hav any hit by himself.. and not to mention that he can’t act…and he was constantly backed up by his mamu and still he’s backing up… Ranbir did so far all by himself… his father ddnt at all help him..or he dsnt endorse him… and nothing special in alia bhatt as well.. but i dont want to talk about her now.. ranbir is in a different league on his own..dont compare him with wooden actors like imran, emraan(who does same in all movies) and khans who hav more than 20 yrs of experience in the industry…
“his father ddnt at all help him”
you are trying to say bhansali casted ranbir in saawariya by some random audition process , got overwhlemed by his acting talent and did screen testing and signed him on dotted line ? this story looks good in Govinda’s swarg , not in real life 😉
“I will be highlighting my issues with each star/actor in this series”
1st things 1st what will u use for Salman khan Actor or Star..???
” in his acclaimed(?) film Barfi he was APKGK in mute”
can’t agree more….
now coming to rest of points………
He is much much bigger than Emran(who won’t cross 50 cr with ETD and can’t cross 60-65 cr with Ghanchakkar),Abhishek Bachchan,Shahid and all other below 36-37 years star..!!
yup he is ahead of Saif also..!!
if u remove Barfi then he is almost equal to Imran khan but that wud be balanced by OUATIMA…..
Ranbir has 3 clean Hits(Raajneeti,Barfi and APKZK)..!!
YJHD will tell where he stands but movie will face hurricane YPD2(Sequel with Deols will crush YJHD)..!!
Hrithik roshan also had 2 hits in his 1st 5-6 years(before 2006 happened)…with his Number of films will become another Hrithik and i have seen ur views on Hrithik carrer so said that..!!
Ranbir’s YJHD will easily open to 13 cr 1st day thus putting him above Ajay Devgan for sure at least..!!
Ranbir has given all his 3 hits with 3 successful and Good Directors will be interesting to see how big a hit he will be able to give with Ayan mujherjee..!!
having said all these things he is a very good actor…..and have good choice of Scripts…!!
one more point———
Only stars to give more hits than Ranbir in their first 6 years are—
Akshay kumar with 5 Clean Hits
Shah rukh khan with 7 Clean hits
no one else is ahead of Ranbir comparing only 1st 6 years..!!
The gap between APGK’s 60 cr and 3I’s 200 cr was between the biggest hits of Ranbir and Aamir in 2009.
Now in 2012 the gap between Aamir’s flop Talaash and Ranbir’s biggest hit Barfi is 10 cr.
This is our next generation superstar? LOL
Anyways, my last comment was not to compare Ranbir with any Khan (thats atrocious) but to show how small Ranbir’s grosses are compared to the big hits – thats mainly due to his limited appeal.
i think Ranbir is doing just fine at the moment . Its too early to compare him with Khans , HR or Akshay. He still has long way to go and lot to prove before we do that. I still remember when HR got 2 Blockbusters in 2006 everyone thought he will be the next number 1 unfortunately after that he lost his way so judging Ranbir at this point of time would be totally premature. I am no fan of Ranbir but i personally feel he has in it him to become our next big superstar after HR in future but lot of that would depend on his choices. Bored, no need to make Ranbir look bad by comparing his films with a loved film like 3 idiots which only comes once a decade also if u think Barfi is a small grosser then what do u have to say about SRK’s biggest grosser to date Raone which did 5 cr more than Barfi. HR’s AP made 120 cr and Akshay’s RR around 130 cr so how would u explain all this ? One last thing Bored get your facts right about Talaash maybe then u can distort them too . Have said few times will say it again Talaash is not a failure/flop by any stretch of the imagination … yes it underperformed and didnt live upto the expectations but is it the only film to do so ? Dabangg 2 also underperformed it ended up doing only 10 cr more compared to the first one which released in back in 2010 but what ppl like u dont understand is verdicts are based on the Budget of the films and not your expectations .Dabangg 2 and Talaash both were profitable ventures Dabangg 2 certainly more than Talaash thats why former was a superhit and latter just a success in my view.
The box office grosses of aamir khan’s legendary movies such as love love love, tum mere ho ,deewana mujhsa nahi, awwal number, jjws, jawani deewani were 50 crores more than the biggest hits of those years..
# once aamir was sleeping and dreaming something… Chris Nolan saw him sleeping and he got the inspiration to make inception. #trueStory
But even inception couldn’t out gross 3 idiots
Aamir Debuted with a average grosser QSQT
After that he gave biggest gigantic hits year after year until 1996 which year there was an average grosser raja Hindustani.
Here is the link from BOI which shows data from 1990 onward (you can click the tabs to move through the years)
The reason you don’t see any Aamir movie in the list is because his hits were grossing at least 50 more crores Than others.. Hence they are beyond boi and their list
I personally think love love love grossed more than sholay
Ok, 3I was loved and it did 200 cr, lets leave it aside. ETT was not loved much, it still did 199 cr and Barfi did 101 cr. So the point is same – Ranbir has too limited appeal to be taken seriously.
And the distributors made as much money on talaash as they did on raone – which is 0. But then, fans of both stars consider these movies as some sort of success.
Wasn’t expecting u to bring Salman up in the discussion but now that u have does Salman even need a loved film to score huge at the boxoffice ? With ordinary films like Ready, BG , ETT and Dabangg2 making huge money he has proved he is in a league of his own. He is the most popular star at the moment and undisputed numero uno star of bollywood so there is not even a comparision between him and Ranbir.
Ok, 3I was loved and it did 200 cr, lets leave it aside. ETT was not loved much, it still did 199 cr and Barfi did 101 cr. So the point is same – Ranbir has too limited appeal to be taken seriously.
Barfi did 106 cr while Don 2 did 105 cr in the festive season – ZNMD did 95 cr so does that mean even SRK and HR too has limited appeal ? Akshay’s Special26 opened less than Imran’s MKBKM on its opening day and despite being a very good film it collected just about 65 cr. So if most top stars biggest grossers are in the 115-130 cr range Barfi’s 106 cr is very much respectable specially for the kind of film it was. i dont want to take any credit from Salman he is having a phenomenal run but we all know why Salman is just doing masala films and what will happen if he tries to do something like Barfi, Talaash, ZNMD or CDI . On Talaash i dont think its a success just couz i am an Aamir fan . Here u can read what BOI had said about both JTHJ and Talaash https://www.boxofficeindia.com/boxnewsdetail.php?page=shownews&articleid=5258&nCat right at the bottom also Komal Nahta too have talked about its economics in detail …Rest is upto u to believe.
DHKMH was a city hit – same as today’s multiplex hit like Barfi.
Anyways, at no point in Aamir’s initial yrs was he girly by nature or looks or behavior. He was a bit naive and cheeky – traits that can be seen in Imraan too. But Ranbir is a girly boy – a different breed.
Wanted to make a long detailed comment but after all the discussion forgot what I wanted to say 🙂
1) Agree with you that he is a legacy star. Saawariya was a flop and a bad film. He was horrible in it with those deliberate hand mannerisms and yet that year he was hailed as the next big thing. Its because the media and the film industry loves to anoint star sons.
2) Agree with you mostly on 2 except that I think he was most natural in WUS and his acting in Rocket singh was similar to WUS which released earlier 😀
YJHD and Besharam will not be prestige films but critics will find excuses to like the movie or at least his performance. Take for example the song from YJHD its nothing great – follows the Shammi Kapor template even done again by Shahid in Dil Maange More and even Teri Meri Kahaani but they come up with comments that they can’t take their eyes of Ranbir or Ranbir can makes anything work.
3) While I did not like Barfi and with it being a copied movie 🙂 I still think he deserves some credit for taking a movie like Barfi past 100 Cr. So he is the only young star with a 100 cr hit.
4) Agree that he looks like Neetu Kapoor. I don’t find him that good looking but may be girls/women do and then he has the legacy star advantage.
5) Well star fans will use him as a proxy to fight their star wars till their favorite stars fade. Ranbir does not have to do a masala movie but he can at least try to do a action movie or a thriller.
I disagree that SRK became big in 90s only because of love stories. If DDLJ was SRK’s first movie I don’t think he would have been a top star – he would have been clubbed along with Salman and Aamir. He could overtake then because of Baazigar/Darr which they were then not thought of as being capable to pull off. And because he already had a Baazigar/Darr/KHKN behind him and a acting perception associated with those movies that a DDLJ helped him much more than it normally would have. As far as being at the right time at the right place Amitabh had retired and Anil and Sanjay self destructed themselves with Roop Ki Rani and the TADA case. Jackie lost his way too. He only had to overshadow Sunny in Darr to steal a march over him.
Today’s young stars still have to contend with the Khans, Hrithik and Akshay. I think the young star who makes his debut once atleast the Khans retire will be at the right place at the right time.
good long comment.you are one of the few bloggers whose long comments i read 😉
LOL on the lines “just goes to show how old srk has started to look in that period of time 😉 ” and “the day he stops getting these comments and gets comments like “i hpe this film flops” etc, he will have become a top star”
“gap between APGK’s 60 cr and 3I’s 200 cr was between the biggest hits of Ranbir and Aamir in 2009”
This is same gap between Salman’s Wanted and Aamir’s Three Idiots .. biggest grossers(excluding HAHK) of both till 2009 .. so what u wants to say ?? Salman and Ranbir were equal in 2009 ??
Loll .. hate to say .. but I saw Daulat ki Jung two times in theater (Free mein, apna hi tha) .. 🙂
Before I hit bed today after a long long day and a boring training …
The song of latest Ranbir movie I saw here on Tanqeed…. and Ranbeer is just doing awesome yaar. I think you are too critical of him or you are in comparing mode too much with earlier stars. Its not fair.
I loved his battameez dil.. …and he was a great in APKGB …and i liked Katrina ONLY in that movie – very innocent and cute! 🙂
He is a lovable guy …and I hope he gets success he deserves.
the post is meant to be critical 😀 even i find him a sincere actor but a little overhyped by the media who seem to be in a rush to make him compete with the top stars. it is only unfair on him and to his seniors.
“He is a lovable guy …and I hope he gets success he deserves”
my point #5 😉 the day he stops getting these comments and gets comments like “i hpe this film flops” etc, he will have become a top star
cant say much on the points mentioned as a lot has been discussed already but, have to say, Ranbeer is the only star in younger genaration whio has appeal and fans required for being superstar. Ans, he is perhaps the last such star as I dont see it happening in future.
I would quote an interesting exapmle here. A lady whom I know used to call his 3 years old son ‘my little srk’ few months ago, but now she calls him as ‘my little Ranbeer’.
“. A lady whom I know used to call his 3 years old son ‘my little srk’ few months ago, but now she calls him as ‘my little Ranbeer’.”
just goes to show how old srk has started to look in that period of time 😉
My thoughts on Ranbir and his films :-
He desperately wants to be a high-profile romantic commercial hero in the more conventional sense (like SRK). This is amply proved by his insistence to do run-of-the-mill romcoms like YJHD and Anjaana Anjaani. In addition, he’s mad about his youth persona and is pursuing it to the limit.
At the same time, he’s shrewdly throwing in a few offbeat films to make it look like he’s diversifying.
He’s intensely media-hyped. He had an awful debut and followed it up with insipid films. I have failed to understand the hoopla over Rockstar (a performance I don’t consider to be great at all). And I cannot believe that peope here like Ajab_Prem Ki Ghazab Kahaani, which (in my view) is one of the worst films I’ve seen, not to mention having truly horrible acting
Having said that, he has an innate charm. One can see that with smart thinking and powerful backing, he’ll go very far. So yes, he definitely is the next big thing. Plus, he was genuinely good in Barfi!, which shows that he is a good actor.
So according to you he desperately wants to be a high profile romantic hero -SRK kind (don’t know why anyone would like that but anyways) – This can only be inferred in two ways- 1) By looking at his filmography and 2) If you personally know him… Lets look at his filmography after his debut (which btw was not conventional in any which way)
1) BAH- conventional- YES
2) WUS- Conventional- NO, romantic- NO (Boring-yes 😉 )
3)APKGK- Comedy (so no conventional romance there)
4)Rocket Singh- Conventional – NO, Romantic- NO (Awesome- Yes)
5)Raajneeti- conventional-Well… Romantic- NO
6)njana Anjani- Conventional Yes romantic- Yes
7)Rockstar- conventional -No, Romantic-Somewhat
8)Barfi- Conventional- No, romantic- umm
So his filmography doesn’t say anything about him SrkChhaap brand of cinema
he has a YJHD which looks like BAH hashed with Cocktail -so you may think based on that..and after that He has Besharam -masala- I guess–and Bombay Velvet-which would bemiles away from Srk’s romantic nautankis
so unless, he’s given you his inside ideas personally , don’t know which way you would make that assumption.
You missed Saawariya. Romantic – Yes
WUS also had some romantic angle with him & Konkona but I would call it more of a coming of age movie.
APKGK had comedy but it was romance and that too 90s romance with friends helping and all that. The whole movie was about wooing Katrina so how is that not romance?
Agree with you on Rocket Singh and Raajneeti.
Rockstar was all romantic. Its like saying Devdas was not romantic.
Barfi was also romantic – a triangular love story with a mute guy and a mentally retarded girl.
I don’t think he is following SRK though. And anyways there is nothing wrong in Ranbir doing romantic roles or playing young roles while he is still young. Its the oldies like SRK who need to stop doing romantic crap like JTHJ 😉
Rockstar was Romantic and I said that..but it was not conventional- SrkChaap Romatic
And by your pin pointing of romance in Barfi every movie in Indian cinema would be romantic or Hero-Villain. No Doubt there was Romance in Barfi but it was on the whole a story about Barfi the protagonist and his take on life and his way of looking at things and dealing with them.
By Hero Heroine Logic everything from DCH to Swades to Lagaan to 3 Idiots (ah the hero heroine meet at the end) would be a love story.
I put in APKGK in comedy the same way I would Baadshah in comedy.
Rockstar was Heer Ranjha coupled with Devdas both of which are love stories – just because the hero is a dumb idiot who wants to experience heartbreak and then cries about it does not make it unconventional. Becoming a rockstar after a heartbreak is as unconventional as SRK joining army after heartbreak in JTHJ 😉
Barfi was a love story – the whole movie was about him falling in love with a girl whose parents reject him and then he falls in love with a retarded girl the other girl wants him back. Please don’t use that Barfi’s take on life nonsense. A mute guy acting like a guy from the silent movies and doing slapstick is not a take on life.
Yes almost every movie whether Bollywood or in Hollywood has a romantic angle and similarly lot of romantic movies have comedy in them (even DDLJ up until the climax) – does not make them a comedy.
Okay so, Barfi is just a love story with a guy being dumb mute… MNIK must also be an ego trip of a Khan who was held for checking/questioning at an airports for a few extra minutes and he couldn’t handle it… Worse he also took support of autism just to make it look sympathetic.
Yeah, all of Ranbir’s film is romantic at core, except Raajneeti and that movie was only one that i liked him in. But even in that, his acting was overshadowed by Nana and Manoj. But at least he was not acting girly.
Multiplex/City based romance has evolved from the days of DTPH/KKHH/CC/KHNH etc to today’s WUS/AA/YJHD/Rockstar.
Rocket Singh was a good movie, but Ranbir was the only weak link there – too much of ‘sincerity’ & ‘honesty’ in his expressions made it look like a fairy tale rather than a tale of guts.
RS wasn’t a Great Performance But one of the Better Lead Performance of 2011 with Great Songs.
APKGK/BAH was a Crap/Good Movie again with Superb Songs and Ranbir stood out in it among the rest.
Barfi!, Rajneeti, Rocket Singh, WAKE UP SID are his ‘Gold Mines’.
Saawariya can be excused as it was a debut.
Conclusion: Anjaana Anjaani is the only Bad Movie + FLOP to Ranbir’s Credit.
It would be best if we moved away from this debate since your views on SRK are – how shall I say this? – not very level-headed or neutral? I will, however, answer your points; sputnik can do so too if he wishes.
If romance could make a major superstar like SRK, I don’t see why anyone wouldn’t want to go that way. Not to forget that Salman and Aamir also gained superstardom from romance.
Saawariya was a romance, and a bad one at that. BAH was a decent and conventional romance with an ultra-stupid idea at its core. Wake Up Sid was less a romance and more a coming-of-age film (and a damn good one at that; how do you call it boring?!) APKGK was a total romcom; no way anybody can say it wasn’t one. And it had the most ridiculous plot of the year, topped by massive over-acting.
Rocket Singh wasn’t a romance, and it was unconventional (I haven’t yet seen it, so can’t comment on its quality). Raajneeti was superb albeit derivative, and showcased a wooden Ranbir; it has hints of romance only. Anjaana Anjaani was the same dumb romance. Rockstar was not supposed to be a romance, and ended up being a silly one, with a far-fetched concept and the feeling of being misled (it was supposed to be more about the rise of a rockstar). Oh, and there was Nargis Fakhri. Enough said.
Barfi! was a semi romcom (that term doesn’t exist but I think it describes the film perfectly :D). It had a very good performance from Ranbir, in addition to being a great film overall. That’s his only real gem till date. His filmography has been, without doubt, very romantic with a bit of mixes and matches.
And what’s SRKchaap brand of cinema? I can see its derogatory but one has to admit that it includes the likes of CDI and Swades, not to mention earlier roles. Oh, and SRK’s “nautankis” as you call them are miles overshadowed by his own work. So your barb was wasted.
Your other, rather astonishing attack on MNIK is uncalled for. Nobody taleked about MNIK (which is romantic, with a tested 9/11 backdrop). So you basically jumped the gun too fast. More care next time, please.
And by only gem, I mean among the films I watched; Rocket Singh may very well be another one.
Everything against srk is uncalled for. It’s clear who jumps the gun by unnecessarily comparing ranbir with a hamstar like srk… Could be only srk fans
Sorry I forgot that Barfi was about the racial profiling that the Barfi character undergoes due to his being mute. I also seem to have forgot all the great social/political issues that Barfi touched upon.
Mnik covered all the races with the race less hurricane victims and the self motivated self appointed superjoharoic red Cross workers.
“Becoming a rockstar after a heartbreak is as unconventional as SRK joining army after heartbreak in JTHJ”
@sputnik – Glad that you pointed it out. The concept of Rockstar was a stereotypical cliche, much like any other Imtiaz film – so much that the JTHJ comparison is very valid. To take Rockstar seriously it needed some social message behind the lead’s frustration. All that crap over a heartbreak was really silly.
Considering all the ‘hype’ about Ranbir’s choices, none of his films have much to say beneath their cosmetics. And about his acting, the girliness is probably a family trait – none of the Kapoors came across as ‘men’ , only Rishi has aged well enough to become one (going by his recent films).
Hopefully Ranbir will not have to wait that long to get some gravity!
Ranbir Kapoor plays a street fighter in Bombay Velvet
Veering away from the romantic hero roles that we have seen him essaying in his earlier films, Ranbir Kapoor will now be playing a street fighter in Anurag Kashyap’s forthcoming film, Bombay Velvet.
“It is an intense role in which I am playing an ambitious street-fighter.
It’s a film based in the ’60s. The role requires me to be a fighter, boxer, somebody who is charged up, ambitious and agressive,” Kapoor revealed.
Apart from Ranbir Kapoor, Bombay. It also features actress Anushka Sharma.
Kapoor and Sharma play lovers whose lives intermingle with the evolution of the city of Bombay, through the ’50s to early ’70s.
It is the story of how the city became a Metropolis and is set against the backdrop of love, greed, violence and jazz.
This will be the first film of a trilogy, as planned by Kashyap.
Amit Trivedi will be composing the music of the film, which will be reminiscent of the golden sound of ’60’s.
The film is produced by Fox Star Studios and Phantom Films and will go on floors in July 2013.
The makers are planning to release it worldwide on December 25, 2014.