Milind’s Reflections: The Hypocrisy called Aamir Khan!

He has had a bad marriage. I won’t talk about it. Lets forgive him.

He has had a surrogate baby. Who am I to poke my nose in?

Thousands of orphan girls are straying in India. This is my concern.

Aamir could have adopted a “girl child” to at least secure the future of a girl! He did not. He rented a womb in the desire to have his “own” child. I have no business even there.

Suddenly I stump across a show of SJ where he talks about Female Infanticide. Now I have a problem.Serious one!!

A man who claims to “hurt where it matters the most” could not introspect his own mind and soul and secure future for a girl who would have been equally proud to have a social-messiah like Aamir as her dad,instead going for a surrogate baby just to believe in the “quality of blood” decides the status of a man. Hypocrisy in the mean process got a new name called Aamir Khan!

Role Models lead by example not by sitting on a cosy sofa and acting as if they are hurt by females being killed. Aamir does this all so as to create a good-will for himself. The “solution” intended is so obscure and so far away from reality that it is hilarious. The “problem” discussed has no novelty to it considering it is a grave issue. There is no desire to penetrate the soul. There is just an ambition to create further impression of himself. Personal gains are at stake here. You won’t see Aamir ever advocating about any stuff after SJ, I bet that. This man never ever voiced again his opinion after Fanaa released in context of Narmada Bachao Aandolan. This man wont ever march again with candle since RDB is long lost in past. This man wont attend any wedding now as SJ is already on air. This man won’t sit with Anna anymore as Anna effect is waving away. This man won’t be himself ever. He will always try projecting himself as “different”, knowing very little all the time what is different. To add to his fanatics will proclaim all other “star’s” work as “bought” but his superficial work as masterpiece. If they know what chappal he wears to bathroom, that is none of my business but if they claim that those chappals smell of roses, I wont spare a thought before making them smell that.

I frankly ask you all a question. The purpose of spreading awareness regards Female Infanticide is absolutely unnecessary. Ask me why? Because the “secrecy” with which it is done itself is a living testimony to the fact that it is already known to be an evil. The problem is not in “system” or in “the existing laws”..the problem is in a long socio-cultural background. Right from mythology to present date, males in Indian community have been given preference. It is another fact that woman have enjoyed respect and displayed valour too. But the requirement of a male to shoulder the family is a gift of our own culture.Woman not being given equal rights to be born,to work,to breathe is a result of our own mindset that is myopic enough to not see the obvious. A show on a couch with a select people can just expose the already known problem but can never change the “mindset”. You cannot escape this obvious fact by saying “Atleast someone started this” –because a social messiah like Aamir was never expected to touch the elementary notes, he was deemed to strike a forceful impact of a horror story under blankets. What he has done is to chose a less experimental path, infact a mundane path that caters to his image more than the “real” problem. This results in a serious disharmony between the purpose “intended” and the purpose “achieved”.

The show in spite of all this was never meant to be criticized. Why? How do you criticize even a superficial show on a serious grave matter. This is the safest root to debut on TV where the element of “criticism” and “experiment”..both are equally minimized. Thus the show in spite of stirring just fails to take the stir to a whorl. A look at other star’s charity stuffs will show how they actually bring smile on people’s faces and how they never speak about it. How they are ridiculed for buying even charity but how they have proudly maintained a dignified silence. Real work may not have a publicity but a show like Sj definitely had one,that too a misleading one!

Not disappointed as such, but hugely nonchalant about it now. It is a superficial show,a shallow show lacking the knack to deliver! Dil par nahi lagi yaar. Ye baat dil par nahi lagi.!!

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  1. Author
    Milind 7 years ago

    Sputnik –Thanks for inspiration for the start up of my note! I took it for the epilogue type stuff! 🙂

  2. John Galt 7 years ago

    In the progressing course of my life, I have started believing in a philosophy of action before words…I used to always criticize people that whatever they are doing is not enough, or it is hollow or narrow minded or incomplete in the context of social activism. And then it hit me, what am I doing to even critique that?

    Take an example of Satyamev Jayate (aamir khan) or Kuch Dil se (smriti Irani) or The Oprah Winfrey show

    I sit in a comfy couch and watch a show where a man/woman on the screen is sitting in another comfy couch and talking about social causes to millions of people. If I critique them, then the question is right there on the wall– “Who is the bigger hypocrite ? “

    • sputnik 7 years ago

      The guy sitting on the sofa and critiquing the show may or may not be doing anything about the issue but he at least is not profiting by talking about other people’s problems or issues.

      Now tell me who is the bigger hypocrite?

      • Baba Ji 7 years ago

        John galt – as spuntik says often and i agree with him,I find this a very botched up logic.

        “what am I doing to even critique that?” This way i might hv to show respect to Tushar kapoor in the future too bcos I never did acting!

        Sputnik – you are absolutely right about the money part too.fully agreed.

        • John Galt 7 years ago

          Babaji,

          My comment was in context of social activism. You cinema analogy is right but doesn’t fit here, because cinema is meant for reception and hence the criticism. Doing something for social causes is a result of a person’s own consciousness and belief. Try to understand the difference between the two. If I go and teach at an NGO- I will not have people view it and analyze it. There’s a big difference between doing something to entertain people and doing something because your gut tells you to do so. Also, If you would like to discuss this, I’d suggest discussing keeping aamir or satyamev jayate aside, because my point is beyond that.

          • Baba Ji 7 years ago

            I still dont agree or see it as a different point.Ppl can curse politicians to cricketers. there are critics of anna hazare too and they very well qualify to criticise him.Good or bad,we are all citizens of this country.itna to haq banta hai 😀

  3. John Galt 7 years ago

    Sputnik,

    I am against the whole idea of making money in lieu of social activism and I had not liked the news of the money involved in this show and been vocal about it too…
    But the point I am trying to make here is totally beyond that.

    If I know the money involved in a venture like this and still I do not take an action (hopefully free of money) I am still the bigger hypocrite.

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      Milind 7 years ago

      For your kind information,I am criticisng Aamir considering only after a belief that I am doing a far greater work than a hypocrite who has nothing to do. Guess in that sense you are fast emerging as the biggest hypocrite who may not be agreeing to what Aamir is doing but also defending him by attacking my contribution to society.Double Edged Sword!! Sadly in this case for you,I being a medical professional automatically assume a nobler stance than you or Aamir. 😀

  4. John Galt 7 years ago

    Very good Milind. Keep up the good work.

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      Milind 7 years ago

      I may have been harsh..but my intent was to make it clear that NO ONE IN INDIA NEEDS TO KNOW THAT FEMALE INFANTICIDE IS WRONG.They already know it.That is why they do it in darkness! What is needed is an endeavour to interact with society at large taking up this issue,trying to somehow mould the mentality. A show as superficial as this one won’t do any good.Countless came and went by! Yes this will allow people to have good image of Aamir..maybe Talaash will have few more coming to see it!

      • John Galt 7 years ago

        That’s alright Milind. My views weren’t about Aamir or Talaash, anyways. I am not concerned either with Aamir’s image or Talaash’s Box Office. The discussion for me is over.

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          Milind 7 years ago

          My views must not be seen as anti-aamir.I am anti-hypocrisy!

  5. narad_muni 7 years ago

    Milind spot on..Bingo!
    The show is superficial, nothing new, just done to project the social-messiah image if Aamir. No doubt he is one of the biggest hypocrites. And on top of that, he looks like a 60 year old trying hard to hide his age but alas … 😉

    • Alfa 7 years ago

      Absolutely right Milind ! This is nothing but to gain popularity and to project that Aamir is social messiah !

  6. aryan 7 years ago

    Abhi 12 episodes bardash karna hai.

    • Pooh 7 years ago

      Dekhne kisne bola hai..mat dekho

  7. Serenzy 7 years ago

    Aamir’s Brand Value is increasing a lot thru SMJ though.

    At the end of d day, ppl(many f dem incl. me too to an extent) will say he took up social causes & did a good job(inspite f d TRP’s & Hypocrisy and little impact f d show) and not some flashy entertainment lyk Just Dance,DKD,ZKJ,Paanchvi Pass etc.

    Brand Aamir always gets a Boost over others(even if SMJ’s impact is minimal) but he benefits,Talaash benefits.

    Poor SRK loses it wid stuff lyk ZKJ & RA.One.

  8. Beelzebub 7 years ago

    There aren’t a whole lot of people who can sound both pedantic as well as ignorant at the same time. Congratulations, you just made the list. And, no before you say anything let me clarify: I am not in love with Aamir Khan. I do not believe he does stuff for free and neither do I expect him to. He’s an actor. And, despite what Santa might’ve told you they charge money, millions and millions. What’s so evil with that? People like to see him on the screen and are willing to pay for it. I see your problem is not Aamir doing a Ghajini, your problem is with SJ. May I ask why? Ah, yes, because he’s making bucks off it. That’s your problem. Let me ask you this. You’re a medical student you say. Tomorrow, will you start practicing for free? Nope. So why this double set of standards. You portray yourself as a loquacious, carefree rebel with a sharp mind and a sharper tongue but you deliberately fail to see the obvious, that we as a society, NEED these so-called icons to slap us out of the sleep and pump us into action. India is a county of hero-worshippers, we expect Anna to wave a wand and cure corruption and make everything goody-goody. Even as we’re talking there are people saying what good a politician Sachin will make. I mean this is fucked-up. Totally and completely. But, that’s the way it is. After being enslaved for two centuries the very soul of a country is incarcerated. The Brits didn’t just snatch away Kohinoor, they took away our belief in ourselves, our very esteem. We were happily snubbing yoga before the westerners rediscovered it. Then, it became a fad. But don’t judge us too harshly for we are still evolving, as a society, as a nation. I see I’ve digressed but that’s pretty much it. I don’t believe that Aamir is God’s incarnation sent down here to rid this country of its banes but I do applaud his sincere effort to throw some light on society’s ugly truths. Regarding his intentions, his motto, since I’m not a telepath I will reserve my judgment on that. And besides you lot don’t yap when Salman makes a gaudy show of the “Being Human” crap so why begrudge another actor an effort that’s at least more sincere and clinical.

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      Milind 7 years ago

      Ok.I am pedantic and pedestrian. And you are ethereally intelligent. Agreed!

      My concern is not if people are willing to pay him 8 crores or 8Rs to for such stuffs,my concern is that if a show that beats the pompous horn of “Dil par lagegi tabhi baat banegi”,which in my opinion is a big thing then it should uphold the values of it. Why actually pump it up when you are actually not fulfilling the intent of the show.

      You say Will I charge for my practice? Yes I will.Give me an alternate career which fetches me 25 crores/movie,I will do it for free for 13 sundays in mid-year. A Middle Class man like me can afford that much.Do not know How does your “messiah” not manage that. But let that be for pedantics like me.Let intelligent souls like you be unable to spot the difference between my not charging or charging my patients and a certain millionare superstars charging 3 Crores/episode and then asking people to contribute by SMS. Poor man like me cannot understand the logic. You never begin changes in lifestyles by adapting to the most rampant “evil” that affects lifestyle–Money!
      It’s another stuff that with such low TRP’s,even the sponsors are facing a tough time to recover costs in what is touted as the most expensive show ever in India.

      You really needed a superstar who has not even finished college to make you realise the evils in society? Considering you are so brilliant,you actually needed Aamir Khan to make you realise female foeticide.And to those for whom it was shown,they are going to change their mindsets because a certain fucking superstar discussed female foeticide over a cup of coffee.Guess India remembers more about Koffe with Karan and topics in it over a sip of coffee that it will ever remember FF. So finally after it is clear that this show was necessary for you to “feel” the pathos of female foeticide,I am bowing down to your “till date” dead conscience that suddenly showed colossal upsurge after 6th May.mark it,before 6th May,a brilliant soul like you was intellectually and emotionally dead before 6th. Chalo,atleast Aamir managed to give you life.

      “India is a county of hero-worshippers, we expect Anna to wave a wand and cure corruption and make everything goody-goody. Even as we’re talking there are people saying what good a politician Sachin will make. I mean this is fucked-up. Totally and completely. But, that’s the way it is”

      See.You are amongst the Indians who are so helplessly attached to a way of living.That India is a land of Hero-Worshippers and you say that is fucked up and still you are helplessly slave to it,clearly depicts how much will guys and girls like you change after Satyamev Jayte,a supposedly brilliant attempt by Aamir to evoke conscience.You yourself are answering my concerns over this show by accepting “nothing is going to change” as “it is the way it is”. Thank you,but even those who commit that sin know it is wrong.The purpose of committing the sin lies deep in mental texture that you are certainly not well versed with.What is needed is beyond it that SJ does not provide.And then SJ’s purpose is defeated considering Indians already know it is a sin and that you are accepting that we Indians easily accept a fucked up situation as the “way it is”.

      I detest Ghajini more than anyone. I liked DKD as it did not have a hollow intent.It entertained,fulfilled its intent.SJ does not.I hated ZKJ,it was gross. I like KBC.

      My problem is far deeper than an elite like you can get it.But alas,I am pedantic.I will bow to you. 😀

  9. Beelzebub 7 years ago

    Hahaha! Alle-le-le-le I am choo chorry. Nasty Beelzey made Ickle Mili cry. Hush now, love, you are not pedantic, okay. You’re choo strong and brave, you killed that ant, see. Poor Milind’s the best child in the world, happy now?

    Man, let me retract my original statement. You are not pedantic. You’re a pontificator. You know you took so much pain thinking of and writing down all those impressive adjectives and clever retorts when all I could make out was this: sanctimony … narcissism … judgment … an adjective … sniveling … sanctimony … another adjective and so on and so forth. You want me to vivisect your psyche, I shan’t disappoint you, let me grab my kit!

    First of all, I definitely seem to have touched a nerve somewhere here. Man, I am not ethereally intelligent or (please fill in any adjective of your choice) clever. I’m a humble man (a telepath unlike you) who thinks about what he sees and tries to draw an inference without letting his emotions and presumptions get in the way. Seriously it pains me to see a well-read man like you making such fatuous arguments. But then well-read doesn’t necessarily mean well-educated. Kudos to you for teaching me that!

    “Give me an alternate career which fetches me 25 crores/movie,I will do it for free for 13 sundays in mid-year. A Middle Class man like me can afford that much.”

    THIS IS CRAP! You know there’s a specific word for people who curse their circumstances, argue about what doesn’t exist. “I’m a middle class man, I can’t afford to treat people for free, had my dick been another inch longer I’d have schtupped Katrina.” That word’s loser. If you’ve the guts to say something’s fucked up have the guts to unfuck it or stop whining. If you made 25 crores a year then you’d have done something for the society. Aamir Khan’s reply: if I made as much as Oprah Winfrey does I’d have done the show for free. Humbug! You know you are acting like a ten-year old with a crush on that cute girl of his class. Aamir’s mean, I don’t like Aamir, let’s not talk about Aamir. But it’s alright, it’s cute in a moronic sort of way.

    ” How does your “messiah” not manage that?”

    I don’t think of him as a messiah, I think of him as an actor who’s hosting a show that deals with issues relevant to our society. Nothing more, nothing less. But you definitely think that or at least think that people think that. Seriously man, tell me what happened? Did you bunk your lectures to watch his movie and didn’t get the tickets or did he say he loved you and married someone else? My bet’s on the latter. That explains why the fuck are you more interested in his phallus than his performances. Aamir has a surrogate child, Aamir has had a bad marriage, Aamir sodomized me in sleep … Grow up man!

    You really needed a superstar who has not even finished college to make you realise the evils in society? I am bowing down to your “till date” dead conscience that suddenly showed colossal upsurge after 6th May.mark it,before 6th May,a brilliant soul like you was intellectually and emotionally dead before 6th. Chalo,atleast Aamir managed to give you life.”

    This one’s epic. Not only can you read people’s minds you can tell the story of their lives by simply reading a few lines they wrote! I don’t need no show to tell me about female feticide but you definitely need these shows to bitch about something. Empty vessels made more voice I always knew that but I was unaware they could become pretentious, self-righteous bloggers. You know you attended a single Psych posting and started fancying yourself as the next Freud or Jung or Reich but from where I see you are more likely to end up on their couches than in their shoes.

    ” See.You are amongst the Indians who are so helplessly attached to a way of living.That India is a land of Hero-Worshippers and you say that is fucked up and still you are helplessly slave to it,clearly depicts how much will guys and girls like you change after Satyamev Jayte,a supposedly brilliant attempt by Aamir to evoke conscience.You yourself are answering my concerns over this show by accepting “nothing is going to change” as “it is the way it is”. Thank you,but even those who commit that sin know it is wrong.The purpose of committing the sin lies deep in mental texture that you are certainly not well versed with.What is needed is beyond it that SJ does not provide.And then SJ’s purpose is defeated considering Indians already know it is a sin and that you are accepting that we Indians easily accept a fucked up situation as the “way it is”.”

    Man, this enraged me! You interpret my words any way you like, I can live with that. But here you turned them, twisted them until they were defaced in a manner suited to define the meaning of a cliché I’ve been hearing since I was a child. When the fuck did I ever say nothing ‘s going to change? How conveniently you left out the part where I insist voraciously, vehemently that we are a nation in transition, that we’re still evolving. I abide by what I said and if you had the sense gods gave a sea-slug you would too. When you attend another Psych posting, may be in the third professional, you’ll read the Kubler-Ross model. Acceptance comes very late, after denial, anger, bargaining and depression, but once it does healing’s no big deal. THAT WAS MY POINT! First lets accept what’s wrong with us and then bark aloud radical ideas of changing the world. Shit happens all around us. Instead of talking about it let’s assume we’re the smartest sons-of-bitches ever to walk across the face of this earth and mock anyone and everyone who even tries to do something about it. That “mental texture” thing is yet another testament of what I said before. You see a couple of patients, you suddenly discover your love for psychiatry but you foolishly forget one of the prerequisites of becoming a shrink. NEVER JUDGE PEOPLE! Instead you start writing pretentiously cursing and blaming what YOU don’t like, what YOU think is right, this disgusts me. I don’t think I want to argue with you anymore seeing you’ve your head so far up your ass that all you can see and think is crap.

    Assume or think what you will. For me this discussion’s over!

    • sputnik 7 years ago

      Comments like this will not be tolerated here. I would have deleted your comment had there not been a comment in response to this. I thought of editing your comment partially but would have to edit quite a bit.

      You can criticize the article or Milind’s comments and argue with him rationally but you are just making personal attacks and mocking him.

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      “I don’t believe that Aamir is God’s incarnation sent down here to rid this country of its banes but I do applaud his sincere effort to throw some light on society’s ugly truths. Regarding his intentions, his motto, since I’m not a telepath I will reserve my judgment on that.”

      You say you don’t know Aamir’s intentions but you also say you applaud his “sincere” effort. How do you know it is sincere if you do not know his intentions?

      Posting my comment from another thread.

      ‘When the camera deliberately pans to Aamir wiping his tear off or Aamir giving “acting” expressions or Aamir deliberately hugging one of the victims then its no longer a show meant to raise issues. It is meant for TRPs, recognition and fame. Now compare that to the Zindagi Live show. The host is not doing any “acting”. ‘

      “I don’t think of him as a messiah, I think of him as an actor who’s hosting a show that deals with issues relevant to our society. Nothing more, nothing less.”

      If that’s the case why are you so worked up about someone criticizing a damn TV show? Just because it is dealing with issues (which have already been dealt before on news channels in a much better manner like Zindagi Live) no one should criticize it?

      Posting my comment from another thread.

      “People should actually drop the pretense they are supporting this show because it is based on issues. Majority are supporting it because it is a Aamir Khan show and they are either Aamir fans or admire Aamir Khan Period.

      For if they really were supporting the show because of issues they should have also supported shows like Zindagi Live and other shows that came on NDTV/IBN on same/similar issues before. If they did not watch those shows then that just means that they were not interested in those shows/issues in the first place and that they are watching this show only because Aamir is hosting it.”

      And about the money thing.

      “I personally do not have a problem with anyone if he makes Crores of money and does not even donate a single paise out of it. It is his hard earned money (assuming) and he can do whatever the hell he wants to with that money and he owes no answers to anyone. But if someone claims to be socially concerned about the poor or about issues then I think it is perfectly alright to raise the question as to what he is doing about those issues or how much money did he donate? ”

      If Aamir is going to say you can donate money to this charity then someone will ask how much did you donate? He cannot say I will ask other people to donate money while I make Crores asking them to do that. There is a simple rule “Practice before you preach”. Otherwise it is the case of “Do as I say, Not as I do”

      “Aamir has a surrogate child, Aamir has had a bad marriage”

      Don’t you think it is hypocritical of a star to talk about female foeticide and about femele kids and then have a baby of his own using surrogacy? He could have adopted a female child – one that was saved from female foeticide. That is how you lead by example. A single, unmarried female star Sushmita Sen adopts two female children and the superstar who makes movies and does TV show on social issues prefers to have his own child using surrogacy.

      While having a surrogate child using some other woman might be perfectly alright to you please do some research on surrogacy and how poor women are exploited to carry babies for others (it is banned in many countries). I don’t think Aamir will do a show on that and if even he does it will have a positive spin on it because he himself has benefited from it.

      Now I can use this very site to post a well researched (much more than SJ is) article on Surrogacy (I won’t even charge a dime for it) and how its a social evil but then I will be accused of being a Aamir hater.

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      Milind 7 years ago

      Thank Yourself that this discussion is over or else your counter-argument would have been met with a more than adequate response.

      BTW,your getting personal clearly showed that you are hurt where it mattered the most.

      And when I turn your own statement against yourself then you start making another line of defense based on a model that is not at all related to this discussion. ,Maybe when you actually are awarded with a MBBS degree,you will realize that your juvenille theories cant save the day for you! 😀

      Vehement replies are seldom effective! That is called the model of common sense used restraint! 🙂

  10. John Galt 7 years ago

    @beelzebub

    “I don’t think of him as a messiah, I think of him as an actor who’s hosting a show that deals with issues relevant to our society. Nothing more, nothing less.”

    I agree and it would have been great if the people (mainly at this or other blogs) would have given their attention to the cause rather than the host of the show.

    @Milind
    ‘You really needed a superstar who has not even finished college to make you realise the evils in society”

    Nobody needs a superstar for anything. Take him as just another show host. And no, most adults wouldn’t need anyone to make them realise the evils of the society but its good to have someone who can make you revisit these evils, so that we as citizens can think of doing something about it, and then one amongst 1000s may actually do something about it. don’t you think it would be an achievment ?

    • sputnik 7 years ago

      “it would have been great if the people (mainly at this or other blogs) would have given their attention to the cause rather than the host of the show.”

      Well the same thing can be said about MNIK.

      “but its good to have someone who can make you revisit these evils, so that we as citizens can think of doing something about it, and then one amongst 1000s may actually do something about it. don’t you think it would be an achievment ?”

      I can use this very same argument for MNIK.

      You said in another thread that “I support stuff if the intention is good”

      So did you support MNIK and did you object to people on other blogs who were mocking/attacking MNIK?

      “Take him as just another show host.”

      Taking him as just another show host why does this show have to be defended or praised when there are much better shows by other hosts? Shouldn’t we be praising those shows and those hosts instead?

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        Milind 7 years ago

        Sputnik,

        It is fine.When I write something,the reader has the right to be judgmental. I appreciate your concern though. Yes he went personal and illogically illogical at times but then TQ stands for democracy and right to speech.

        Let him speak it out.I actually want to see the length to which a man can go to defy his own previous commentary. Rest you have answered back well.I have no zeal to type a reply long enough and allow a vicious circle to commence!

        People come here in hidden ID’s who know about me and my ideas and thoughts.They cannot expose their real names fearing the same will happen to them regarding their opinion. 😀

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      Milind 7 years ago

      @John Galt

      So you were waiting for 6th May,2012 to take a resolution regards “saving the world”. So,you while watching the common ambiance while travelling on train or bus or in slums or by the roadside,you were not moved while the “evidence” was in your eyes.India was never moved. But guess,after Aamir took up the cause,you started beholding!

      Therein lies the infirmity of your argument.

      Achievement of a project of this scale is not at all in making people aware! For they ARE aware! The real achievement would have been had it allowed for some grounded and rooted discussion encompassing all layers of society and also the government[which it deliberately approaches after the show] and then try to find the weak points,the soft junctions and then maybe allow for a solution.Asking people to SMS for a cause or contest is same.Pathetic routined approach!

  11. John Galt 7 years ago

    Sputnik,

    Whosoever said that MNIK’s theme wasn’t a noble one? It was never a bad theme. Karan Johar messed it up dramatically in the latter half and thats where the movie sucked. Moreover, I am not seeing Satyamev Jayate as a medium of social activism through entertainment. Iam just seeing it as a show about social activism.

    Milind,

    Your entire argument is about a few people who are aware. I would prefer not discussing this further as I am talking about a different audience compared to you. Please continue building templates for criticising the future shows as well.

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      Milind 7 years ago

      You said– See the show not the man who is hosting it.

      Here you are actually not seeing the “issues” raised but pointing a finger at the author.

      What should I believe?

      Show on social activism or Show on the periphery of some vague aspects of social activism!

      Frankly pooch raha hoon– Bachche ke arsehole me ghusaa dena galat hai,ye kaun nahi jaanta.Iske liye tumhe Aamir ki jarurat thi.Ya kisi ko hai.If the show would have explored it deeply regarding all causes,I would have left no stone unturned to praise it!

    • sputnik 7 years ago

      “Karan Johar messed it up dramatically in the latter half and thats where the movie sucked.”

      Yes that’s right but even though the latter half sucked, you should still praise/defend it as it had “good intentions” using your own logic on Aamir’s show.

      “I am not seeing Satyamev Jayate as a medium of social activism through entertainment. Iam just seeing it as a show about social activism.”

      Disagree on that.

      When the camera deliberately pans to Aamir wiping his tear off or Aamir giving “acting” expressions or Aamir deliberately hugging one of the victims or some lady who is displaying shocked/surprised expressions or crying then its no longer a show about social activism. It is theater. The lady who got bitten by her husband rises up and delivers a couplet and a abused woman sings on the show (Is this Indian Idol)? May be this is alright to you but to me this is scripted stuff.

      Entertainment does not mean only comedy – rona dhona movies/serials are also entertainment for many. There is some comedy on a show about social activism too with Salman and Bodyguard referenced in two shows for some laughter.

      So it is in fact “social activism through entertainment”.

  12. Author
    Milind 7 years ago

    “Whosoever said that MNIK’s theme wasn’t a noble one? It was never a bad theme. Karan Johar messed it up dramatically in the latter half and thats where the movie sucked”

    Similarly I have said KUDOS to Aamir’s effort to touch subjects but as you are reflecting on the “messing up on the latter half of movie”..I am also reflecting on stuffs that are messed up in the shows.

    I do not have to create templates.Infact same can be said about you vis-a-vis MNIK!

  13. John Galt 7 years ago

    Milind,

    ‘Infact same can be said about you vis-a-vis MNIK!’

    Have you seen a post by me on MNIK ? btw, you still haven’t answered that question I asked about Anurag Kashyap.

    “Frankly pooch raha hoon– Bachche ke arsehole me ghusaa dena galat hai,ye kaun nahi jaanta.Iske liye tumhe Aamir ki jarurat thi.Ya kisi ko hai.If the show would have explored it deeply regarding all causes,I would have left no stone unturned to praise it!”

    Milind by your logic, everyone knows everything. Nobody needed Aamir to tell them that child sexual abuse is an issue. But how many parents do actually think of child sex abuse when they are thinking about taking care of their childeren. Try to understand this, there are many things that we think that can never happen to our family and we start to ignore them. If you see the show carefully, this is what aamir was trying to portray in the earlier part of the show–about how this is NOT a non-issue.
    Also, What more exploration were you looking for, them doing a sting operation on a guy doing sexual abuse on the child??? They showed you the cases of people who went through this. They made you meet the parents of one of those people. They even, gave you probable solutions to what can you do as a child or as a parent. They stressed hard on the fact that its prevalant and how. And then you say you are actually stressing on the problems you have with the show and not with who is hosting it.
    Here’s the deal Milind, and I am saying this with utmost sincerity, as an audience I found the show informative and something that will help the people in concern. If I am a child going through sexual abuse and I watch that show, I will not think, Milind uncle says this show cannot eradicate problem from grassroot level and hence its useless, I will think about letting my parents know so that they would actually KNOW it, or even diel that helpline.( Frankly, I did not know about the helpline before this show–and yes you can call me ignorant.) If I am a parent I will start giving my child a little ore attention if he/she has been saying similar stuff to me and I have been overlooking it (like the rest of the parents were in that show).

    Here’s one more sincere request- I am a very difference audience than you are. So lets just both stick to that and not discuss it any further. If something moves me, I will support it irrespective of any einsteinian theories. I do feel the show raised an important issue and handled it well enough to make people aware.

    Sputnik,

    This show didnt suck for me, while MNIK did and thats what my comments reflect. Infact, I was quite impressed by the show. Let me tell you something about Aamir and his expressions. Believe it if you want to, “I actually didnt even remember Aamir from either of the episodes at all. I remembered the people, their stories and the issue at hand.” The second half of MNIK, though was a mood killer and sheer bad and hence I can’t praise. I have however mentioned that the theme was indeed noble.

    • Author
      Milind 7 years ago

      “This show didnt suck for me, while MNIK did and thats what my comments reflect”

      So what is wrong if this show is failing to live upto its original pompous declaration according to me.You were hell bent on judging it related to my star preferences.I can also say,you are a SRK-hater thus you are mauling a noble intent laden film called MNIK. You may not have made a post post on it but we know your opinion..right!!! You say look beyond the host.Why cannot you look beyond the author?Why did MNIK suck according to you?Because of some minor/major flaws in second half! Right? Same way SJ is not upto the standard because of umpteen reasons that I have given,none of which you have been able to refute.You are yselessly harping on “what if one child is benefitted” but escaping Sputnik’s question–“what if one adult is falsely implicated”. Justice is related to a fact that not even one innocent should be hanged.What if an adult is falsely or wrongly implicated. Does this show talk about it so deeply and openly so as it to give a true picture? It talks about Sodomy.Does it define about the touches,the wrong ones..and etc.? Does it speak about the ‘reasosn” of such happenings.What it does is to put up a helpline number..what a measure taken?Clap Clap Clap!! There are more than 10 helpline numbers for women,some have stopped functioning,those which do are useless as they never intervene on time.What are you trying to tell me? That one needed this show only to expose the matter of child abuse!! See India TV,Aaj tak,Crime Patrol,Saavdhaan India,IBN7 show,Vaardaat…all speak and do the same.Infact Crime Patrol does deal with it in a far more eloquent manner and also shows the reasons in a far more apt manner.Why just shout from rooftops as soon as this show started.It would have still be fine had it been a worthy one.But issues over a sip of coffee are as shallow as the pond which is drying up.

      I deduced you are an Anurag Kashyap fan as you deduced I am a SRK fan. 😀

  14. Author
    Milind 7 years ago

    “Milind by your logic, everyone knows everything. Nobody needed Aamir to tell them that child sexual abuse is an issue. But how many parents do actually think of child sex abuse when they are thinking about taking care of their childeren. Try to understand this, there are many things that we think that can never happen to our family and we start to ignore them. If you see the show carefully, this is what aamir was trying to portray in the earlier part of the show–about how this is NOT a non-issue.”

    Yes all know that if their 10 year old daughter is caressed on chest ,it is wrong.You do not expect parents to put up a CCTV camera everywhere at home.Do You? Or do you think that a child will ever[save one or two out of hundred] will actually speak up that their “mama” “chacha” has caressed their vagina.Let us be straight here.The majority of child abuse takes place in poverty stricken areas,in low socio-economic strata. You expect a child of that strata who never gets even two meals properly to actually speak up for this issue after having watched SJ,which in all probability they will not have watched. Khaane ko do waqt ki roti nahi,TV/Radio kahaan se laayenge. And if this show is for urban people,they are already sure that this is not a non-issue.The real matter is that no child,be it urban or rural,will ever come up with this issue until and unless you start reaching homes via the school medium utilising school as the place where such stuffs be taught and the children made to speak up.But after all that is a long procedure.Superstar Aamir Khan has just 13 Sundays,3 croe/each episode is the fee,a fee in which more than 10 primary school will be erected. Why would he go for a longer route.After all aren’t we all prats of an escapist culture,a theory that some Beezlebubble was trying to evoke and ultimately had his own theory strangulated by it!

  15. Beelzebub 7 years ago

    @Sputnik:

    Tell me the purpose a debate serves. Two people with different sometimes antithetic mindsets argue about the strengths and fallacies of their arguments, learning a thing or two about the other ideology in the process. You say I got personal and insulting. I admit I did but what about the article on which this very discussion was based. Wasn’t it judgmental, wasn’t it grossly personal, wasn’t it sadly focused on the narrow view-point of a single person’s perceptions of right and wrong? I think it was. I was shocked by seeing the absolute belief the writer has in his ideas, unshakable. Well, there’s only one kind of belief that’s unshakable, a delusion. But let me tell you, there are lots of people on the net writing lots of articles, I don’t go and argue with the entire lot of them. John Galt actually wrote the most beautiful thing, “In the progressing course of my life, I have started believing in a philosophy of action before words…” and you and your mates pounced upon him, making such lame arguments bringing Tushar Kapoor and God knows what in the debate. As you found my comment mocking so did I. That sprung me in action. Man, there’s two kinds of people. One, decent by default, the other who seem decent in the presence of people nastier than them. I wouldn’t have dared written all this hadn’t the writer struck me as the latter.

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      Milind 7 years ago

      @Bezzlefizzle

      Don’t spring into action so soon.

      My views are myopic.Yours cover a wide arena.Okay let us take this as a fact. Waise your own belief in your own arguments is a “belief” or “delusion”! 😉

      You are describing the purpose of the debate.And say you wanted to learn a thing or two. Woahh! And you start by the words “pedantic” and what not! That was a pre-conceived notion or did you want to learn some new English words from me in return! Guess then you have been successful! 🙂 You are amazed at my staunch belief.Yes i rather not write what I do not believe.Maybe I am unlike the not so pedantic souls like you who start their debate by such lousy losers language like “I made you cry and this and that”. You prposed few arguments.I used them against you only.You got enraged and termed it twisting of words. Mate,when you are in a debate,learn to choose what to speak and what not! Seems you never knew how to debate or maybe this is your first chance. 🙂

      Let us dissect your approach to the arguments:

      1. “Seriously it pains me to see a well-read man like you making such fatuous arguments”

      You are so happily terming my arguments against you as factitious but are so worked up if I am turning your own arguments against you. Wowwww! Respect! You do not read to be well read to make out a child abuse stuff.That is where you lack an education.That is where you seem like a man/woman who is so much in deep love with Aamir that for him education began on 6th May 2012 and if his/her child or any child in the locality would have been abused in front of him/her,he/she would have turned a blind eye. Guess you are actually very much less -read about the circumstances related to child abuse but then you never need to be read or educated.It is common sense.You cannot educate the “core” target [the children in slum areas/low socio-economic strata] by some pathetic TV show. You also cannot make anyone aware for they are.What they aren’t aware of is the issues behind child abuse.SJ rarely goes behind the walls.

      2. “I’m a middle class man, I can’t afford to treat people for free, had my dick been another inch longer I’d have schtupped Katrina.” That word’s loser. If you’ve the guts to say something’s fucked up have the guts to unfuck it or stop whining. If you made 25 crores a year then you’d have done something for the society. Aamir Khan’s reply: if I made as much as Oprah Winfrey does I’d have done the show for free. Humbug! You know you are acting like a ten-year old with a crush on that cute girl of his class. Aamir’s mean, I don’t like Aamir, let’s not talk about Aamir. But it’s alright, it’s cute in a moronic sort of way.”

      What an intelligent reply mistah!! I just said that if I would have earned 25 crores/movie and some 80 croees from advertisements,I would not have charged some 3 crore Rs/episode ,an amount that can be used to build 10 primary schools from where you can actually educate children about Child Abuse.But alas I respect your intelligent mind that does not understand this.Yes,I know of many people who actually have passed of IIM and are serving in rural areas when middle class guys like them could get a package of 25 lakhs/year.I know of doctors who after graduating from likes of CMC and PGI have devoted their lives in a rural area.I know of engineers who actually take up projects in naxal-infested areas when many others deny. And then I know of Aamir khan who just cares about his brand-building via such in-room coffee house shows. 🙂 Yes If my dick would have been larger,I would have fucked Katrina but guess you may also not know you need just 2 inches to satisfy a woman.Well Read you are,certainly!

      3. “I don’t think of him as a messiah, I think of him as an actor who’s hosting a show that deals with issues relevant to our society. Nothing more, nothing less. But you definitely think that or at least think that people think that. Seriously man, tell me what happened? Did you bunk your lectures to watch his movie and didn’t get the tickets or did he say he loved you and married someone else? My bet’s on the latter. That explains why the fuck are you more interested in his phallus than his performances. Aamir has a surrogate child, Aamir has had a bad marriage, Aamir sodomized me in sleep … Grow up man!”

      The manner in which your argument is going from worse to pathetic,it seems you think of him as the heavenly Father in Heaven.But whatever! I am not interested in his phallus.Surrogate pregnancy does not impose a question mark on his phallus.Or your well read mind also does not know that! 🙂 😀 I clearly said i am not interested in his surrogate child.A process that itself has far more negatives than positives.But that is not my concern.But then do not boast of female foeticide and the shit associated.Your desire to have your “own” child by a means that is emotionally wrecking and associated with some other grave stuffs is no less worse than the “desire” to have a son at any cost! Aamir could have adopted a girl! AT;LEAST ONE GIRL WOULD HAVE BEEN BENEFITED.Wouldn’t that had been achievement! But you keep being entangled in phallus,dick,Katrina and your own mental graves. Kudos intelligent man!

      4. “This one’s epic. Not only can you read people’s minds you can tell the story of their lives by simply reading a few lines they wrote! I don’t need no show to tell me about female feticide but you definitely need these shows to bitch about something. Empty vessels made more voice I always knew that but I was unaware they could become pretentious, self-righteous bloggers. You know you attended a single Psych posting and started fancying yourself as the next Freud or Jung or Reich but from where I see you are more likely to end up on their couches than in their shoes.”

      Oh! So now matters are dipping beneath the ground! Ha Ha! The debator in the process of mocking me to have read people’s mind is doing the same mistake himself.Trying to read me andf what I have become and that I am pretentious. 🙂 That has been the weakness of your arguments–you are speaking pearls against your own self! Now this is not Epic! But this is pathetic 🙂 Thank You but I am in the couch with Harrison and Braunwald.Ha ha!

      5.”Man, this enraged me! You interpret my words any way you like, I can live with that. But here you turned them, twisted them until they were defaced in a manner suited to define the meaning of a cliché I’ve been hearing since I was a child. When the fuck did I ever say nothing ‘s going to change? How conveniently you left out the part where I insist voraciously, vehemently that we are a nation in transition, that we’re still evolving. I abide by what I said and if you had the sense gods gave a sea-slug you would too. When you attend another Psych posting, may be in the third professional, you’ll read the Kubler-Ross model. Acceptance comes very late, after denial, anger, bargaining and depression, but once it does healing’s no big deal. THAT WAS MY POINT! First lets accept what’s wrong with us and then bark aloud radical ideas of changing the world. Shit happens all around us. Instead of talking about it let’s assume we’re the smartest sons-of-bitches ever to walk across the face of this earth and mock anyone and everyone who even tries to do something about it. That “mental texture” thing is yet another testament of what I said before. You see a couple of patients, you suddenly discover your love for psychiatry but you foolishly forget one of the prerequisites of becoming a shrink. NEVER JUDGE PEOPLE! Instead you start writing pretentiously cursing and blaming what YOU don’t like, what YOU think is right, this disgusts me. I don’t think I want to argue with you anymore seeing you’ve your head so far up your ass that all you can see and think is crap.”

      5. Kubler-Ross Model.We will come to this later.First let me quote you fr0om youe earlier argument:

      ” we as a society, NEED these so-called icons to slap us out of the sleep and pump us into action. India is a county of hero-worshippers, we expect Anna to wave a wand and cure corruption and make everything goody-goody. Even as we’re talking there are people saying what good a politician Sachin will make. I mean this is fucked-up. Totally and completely. But, that’s the way it is. After being enslaved for two centuries the very soul of a country is incarcerated. The Brits didn’t just snatch away Kohinoor, they took away our belief in ourselves, our very esteem. We were happily snubbing yoga before the westerners rediscovered it. Then, it became a fad. But don’t judge us too harshly for we are still evolving, as a society, as a nation”

      If we are a nation that is evolving according to you,why do we need the “British-mentality” actions still where heroes must rise so that evil must fall.If that practice be still used,the nation is regressing rather than evolving.The Anna movement failed in its later half much due to the same effect–Hero-Worshipping. The days of a Gandhi are over,my intelligent well read friend! You say we are a nation in transition.Is this transition where the earliest medieval practices are still rampant.That British needed a Joh the 13th or Jack the 7th or Jill the 3rd is well known but history.That we Indians need some petite actor called Aamir Khan to make us realise the gravest issues,which he fails to completely,is actually EPIC for me! That you remain in slumber when you walk down the roads or travel in trains or read newpapers and the slap on 6th may did it all is actually NEWS to me.I am enraged but contrary to your damn great argumentative style whereby you look like a child fighting for a toffee,I will keep my cool. That you refute you own statement’s latter half by its proximal one is actually howlarious.You claim that Indians will need to get out of the “slumber” but you actually fail to see that they are being actually doped by such hero-worshiping practices in terms of social stuffs.Guess that is why you are so unclear in your arguments.I fail to see a purpose in your debate.You are actually patronizing the show as if conscience within you took a spring of life post this. And usng the Kubler-Ross model here is futile.The nation is evolving.It does not need this theory.We are not being inflicted with ;pain here.We are not being hurt here.We are not dying.Instead we are evolving into a nation where each man considers himself a Hero and many work at grass-root level.Many fight corruption.But alas,your Aamir being a superstar takes away all the page 1 stuff in newspapers and poor men like Alex paul Menon get a coverage only when they are abducted. We have evils within us.Agreed.We know about it.You have to agree.We turn a blind eye.All agree.We will keep turning a blind eye till we do not feel it within ourselves to take the matters in hand.You cannot finish corruption by a Lokpaal and you cannot even imagine to add anything new to the issue of female foeticide by such shows. I do not need a superstar to wake me up from slumber.Thank You.I have newspapers,my eyes and a brain.If you had none,complain to God about it.Not me!

      And I never had to skip classes for Aamir’s films.I used to attend any show.Got tickets.Never found his movies housefull till very late 😀

      • Beelzebub 7 years ago

        @Milind

        By God what an inflated sense of self-worth you have, in fact so much so that I’m pretty amazed you can fit into the couch with the likes of Harrison and Braunwald. This post was meant for your buddy Sputnik, not you but you JUST HAD to poke your nose in. I’ll try and keep this one short for what’s that saying about a fanatic being the one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject. All your arguments, every single fuckin one of them is based on one and only one assumption: People who like SJ are hypocrites who were what “slumbering” before the show aired and you knew from the beginning it was a farce and are hence not only smarter but holier than the rest of them. My Assholiness! Would you please tell us what amazing gadget or superpower you possess that enables you to see so clearly the motives and ideologies of so very many people. Ever since I’ve stumbled upon your page all I’ve heard is this: blah blah blah Aamir Khan blah blah blah 6th May blah blah blah dead conscience blah blah blah hypocrisy blah blah blah. Is it just me or do you really not have any other point. But we all have our things. All those “people” you know who sacrificed materialistic comforts search the meaning of their lives by getting out in the open and dirtying their hands. The meaning of your existence, on the other hand, may be is defined by rambling on and on and on about one person and his show. Whatever floats your boat, buddy!

        PS: That teaching me English thing was hilarious. Tell me when you see an illiterate patient or better some poor sod struggling with the language do you puff up hideously and feel all important and precious? THIS IS WHY I SAID YOU LACK AN EDUCATION! By the way, its juvenile NOT “juvenille and “houseful” NOT “housefull” (Since people inadvertently learn the language from you its essential you learn it first). In the end, I’m sorry if I’ve offended you or anything but I can’t help it. Hoping never to hear from you again. Goodbye and good-riddance (please)!

        Partly edited to remove abuse and mocking member name

    • Baba Ji 7 years ago

      Beelzebub – Milind cannot be stopped from writing anything against anyone as long as he is not abusive or spamming.stars ,tv shows and films are public property and they can be loved ,hated,abused and screwed.
      I have read your arguments here and as sputnik pointed out ,they are full of inconsistencies bcos u r dishonest.Just say that ur watching and supporting a poorly researched and half baked show bcos ur an aamir fanatic.No point in beating around bush.

      • Beelzebub 7 years ago

        @Babaji:

        .stars ,tv shows and films are public property and they can be loved ,hated,abused and screwed.

        I beg you please don’t embarrass yourself!

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        Milind 7 years ago

        Babaji,

        SJ is a national traesure.Shubh Shubh bolo. ROFL!

    • sputnik 7 years ago

      You yourself admit you got personal and insulting. I am not going to allow such stuff here period. If you make one more comment using the language you are using and make personal attacks that will be the end of your comments here.

      “Wasn’t it judgmental, wasn’t it grossly personal, wasn’t it sadly focused on the narrow view-point of a single person’s perceptions of right and wrong”

      Milind criticized a show, the host and the handling of issues but he did not use language against Aamir like you have used against him – “your head so far up your ass that all you can see and think is crap.” or say “I’m allergic to assholes” against Aamir.

      “John Galt actually wrote the most beautiful thing, “In the progressing course of my life, I have started believing in a philosophy of action before words…” and you and your mates pounced upon him, making such lame arguments bringing Tushar Kapoor and God knows what in the debate.”]

      I guess this “action before words” applies to everyone who criticizes the show but not to the host of the show. Milind and me were applying the same “action before words” to Aamir.

      John Galt’s position has been a ever changing one – first it was “only movies are open to critique and not TV Shows” then “action before words” and then “I will praise because of intention” and then finally “I like the show”. I don’t think anyone can argue against a constantly changing position.

      • Beelzebub 7 years ago

        Personal Attacks? You lot start off doing that yourself and then begrudge me the same?! Can’t you see or may be you don’t want to, the language being used against me. Let’s have a look at how this all started:

        Milind began by pretentiously “forgiving” Aamir Khan’s sin of second marriage. Tell me, is it against the law. Nope. Then why make an issue out of it. Yeah, you might say I said let’s forgive them but that’s BS. The very purpose of opening with these lines was to create a bias in the mind of the reader plus it showed how self-righteous the writer thinks he is. In response to that I called him a pedantic. How is this insulting? He replied by judging me, calling my conscience a dead one and blah blah blah! When you yourself can not abide by to the rules you make how can you expect me to. Your problem is I called him an A-hole. That was an obvious insult in response to him calling me brainless. I think that makes us even! What I am trying to say is this: I don’t know any of you personally, may be if we met over a pitcher of margaritas we’d have gotten along pretty well. I don’t hate him or you and I am not in love with John Galt and Aamir Khan but I don’t believe in disparity. You abandon logic and start showering judgments on someone, he has all the right in this world to retort. And once you stoop down from that level I don’t think you can categorize mocking, saying that calling someone brainless is okay but calling someone an asshole is a sin.

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          Milind 7 years ago

          That my pardoning Aamir for second marriage is “pretentious” is again a matter of cracking one’s own theory by having commented before that I am not telepathic and I do not assume! 🙂

          All the more I never talked about second marriage.I talked about a bad one! Why are you so hurt.Agree to it that you are an aamir fanatic who wants to take the garb of neutrality and support this show wherein all your logic has been turned against you. Your whole argumentative style is hollow and you live in a phantasmagorical world where you believe you are correct. Argue on my points,I have replied to you wherever you have. I have constantly respected your intelligent well read mind.Haven’t I ?You begin with the fact that I am trying to create an impression upon the reader.Any writer does that.You are not lobotomized to not able to feel something if I write.But the manner in which you are defensive and offensive is more than hilarious.No points,irrelevant model theories,hopeless arguments,killing one;s own arguments with later commentary–am i responsible for all the stuff you doing against yourself.

          Yes he has a bad marriage because it is widely believed ad substantiated too [via interviews with Ashu post Lagaan where he is quizzed about Hina who was involved with Lagaan and was also in talks for Swades stuff.Kiran Rao was some stuff on the sets of Lagaan] that he got involved with someone else.Thus I wrote lets forgive him in a metaphorical tone! If you are so naive not to get it,I am sorry none can help you!

          Your language clearly defeats every statement you have made and also exposes you as an Aamir fanatic,maybe! I have attacked your logic.All you have attacked is my supposed intent that you have gauged while at the same time pleading me to not judge the show as I am. I am unable to comment further seeing such contradictions in one’s own statement.

  16. John Galt 7 years ago

    Milind,

    You win. Please do yourself a favor and skip the rest of the episodes of Satyamev Jayate. It will save you the trouble of blasting it in a different fashion every time. I am henceforth, not going to comment on any of them anyways. So you may have just a couple of comments in support of you as a response.

    • Author
      Milind 7 years ago

      Please don not live under the impression that if you don’t comment there will be no debate on my posts. 😀

      • John Galt 7 years ago

        Very Well.

  17. sputnik 7 years ago

    @Milind, @Baba,

    I don’t think there is any point in carrying this discussion forward with Beelzebub. So please don’t respond to his comments.

    @Beelzebub,

    I would say the same to you – avoid any more comments with Milind and Baba because all of you have made your points.

    Thanks

  18. sputnik 7 years ago

    @Baba, @Milind, @Beelzebub

    I have deleted few comments by you all.

    @Beelzebub,

    If you start getting personal because some star or his show was criticized then I don’t think this forum is suitable for you. Stars and shows will be criticized here and you need to have a thick skin for that. All your comments from now on will go through moderation.

    I cannot allow personal attacks and mudslinging here because that would defeat the very purpose of this forum to be a place where people can debate without attacking each other personally and abusing each other.

    • Baba Ji 7 years ago

      good action sputnik.

      Beezelbub – Using obscure and misplaced big english words do not an argument make.You had no point right from the start .You want milind to stop writing against SJ bcos of aamir presence.unfortunately for u,No u cannot.and ur also not good enuff to make a case for SJ.when u read this archive 2 years from now and hopefully past your fanaticism,you will realise how silly you were.

  19. John Galt 7 years ago

    Sputnik,
    “John Galt’s position has been a ever changing one – first it was “only movies are open to critique and not TV Shows” then “action before words” and then “I will praise because of intention” and then finally “I like the show”. I don’t think anyone can argue against a constantly changing position.”

    How can this be changing position:

    I said action before words– I have maintained that. If you had a little more acceptance to that statement you would have understood it. Here’s what it means. I will not talk about corruption, If I am myself bribing the government officials. I will not say how ineffificient somebody’s steps in dealing with female foeticide is, if I have haven’t done a single dime’s worth stuff myself.

    And again what is so changing about “Liking the show” and “not criticising it because of action before words” and appreciating the intent” to me they are all very very consistent…You are, in a way, setting standards of what someone should say about arguing and debating. I am really amazed at your last statement. How and I mean how did you find that changing position?? Changing position would be saying I don’t like to eat sweet stuff and then saying how fond of cotton candy I am. Saying I admire the intent of the show does not mean I CANNOT have an opinion about the rest of the show.
    I said that I liked how they dealt with the issue and that It didn’t suck (unlike MNIK, in that example).

    And btw, this is what I said regarding critiquing movies in reply to BabaJi

    “My comment was in context of social activism. You cinema analogy is right but doesn’t fit here, because cinema is meant for reception and hence the criticism. Doing something for social causes is a result of a person’s own consciousness and belief”

    Now if you want to interpret as “only movies are open to critique and not TV Shows” and make a statement about it, well then I have nothing mroe to say.

    • sputnik 7 years ago

      I am saying apply this whole “action before words” to Aamir. I am sorry but action does not mean making a TV show and telling others what to do. It is doing something about it in your personal life and setting an example for others. Aamir is asking people to donate to the charities in the show but he is also saying this

      “since you asked I am getting Rs 3.5 crore per episode. Firstly what I get is none of anyone’s business. Main apni mehnat ki kama aur khaa raha hoon. [I am earning and enjoying the benefits of my hard-work]. I am not doing anything wrong. Main izzat se, achchaa kaam karke roti kama raha hoon aur mujhe fakr hai is baat ka [I am honourably, by doing good work, earning my bread, and I am proud of it]. Secondly to clear the misconception this amount includes the cost of the episode also. The bulk of the money goes into the cost and some of the episodes may have overshot the amount. Thirdly, I have endorsements deals of about Rs 100-125 crore per year. I have stopped them for a year while the show is on. There’s no logic in the decision, it’s purely emotional. But tell me who has ever said no to Rs 100 crore for a cause?”

      No mention of how much he is donating to the charities mentioned in his show. If that is his hard earned money then the money that he is asking to donate to charity is also someone else’s hard earned money. And if he has stopped endorsement deals of Rs 100-125 crore for the year as he says then would it not have been better that he had done those endorsement deals instead and then used that 100-125 Cr to do something real on the ground?

      See he talked about female foeticide and cried for female children being aborted which is all good but then had a surrogate baby. Now you will say it is his personal life but then Commercial Surrogacy is also exploitation of poor women and it is banned in many countries. Now tell me what did Aamir do against female foeticide? Has he adopted or monetarily supported female children rescued from female foeticide and their families?

      You began commenting by suggesting anyone who criticizes the show is a hypocrite because they are not doing anything about it while Aamir is doing a TV show about it. I brought the point that we at least are not exploiting someone’s story to make ourselves richer.

      See its a TV show and a TV show is also for reception and one can criticize a TV show just as one can criticize a movie. Just because a movie/TV show is talking about “issues” or has a “noble theme” does not mean that one cannot criticize it for its cheesy, manipulative or bad content. Yeah you can say I appreciate the issues or theme but it sucked. And that’s what we are doing.

      I am not setting any standards. You started setting the standards that one should criticize it only if they are doing some social work . I just used that same argument on MNIK saying how can you criticize it since you were not doing anything to alleviate the Muslim (technically brown people because even Hindus get affected) discrimination problem using your own argument.

      And even with respect to Social Activism, NGOs can be criticized too. People criticize the Prime Minister/Chief Minister and so on too without ever having been one or having administrated any public office.

      Finally if you have liked the show and think this is going to alleviate the problems then great for you. You have every right to say that here but please don’t expect everyone else to agree with it.

  20. John Galt 7 years ago

    Sputnik,

    “I am not setting any standards. You started setting the standards that one should criticize it only if they are doing some social work ”

    When did I ask anyone of you to follow what I preach? Please read my comment again. I have commented what I follow and that I’d be a bigger hypocrite if Critique it. I don’t thik I could be anymore clearer.

    Of course I do understand people have different beliefs which they follow, and if thats the case, then why did you have a problem with what I commented- It was about my thinking and I was in no way implying that you follow it, so why the questioning in the first place? 😉

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